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Old July 3rd, 2018, 02:16 PM   #1
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My civil rights have been violated!

And they have been at just about every forum I have been at. What civil right is that? The right to speak the truth as best I can. And to debate others over the truthfulness of it. I can only do so in a very limited fashion here. For example, I started a thread called "The joy of being "offensive." it was shitcanned to a section that can't be viewed unless you are a logged in member. The thing that gets me is that I wasn't even being offensive in it. I didn't say nijjer, splick, goop or any of that. Also, I have been accused of being freemind. I looked up some of his threads. Some of them are closed down to debate. Why? Because he was right!

Like it or not, there is one absolutely necessary thing for any debate on any matter. Which is both sides of the story. If you are denied that, your civil rights have been violated just as bad as mine have. So where are your complaints.
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I think you should take a stand and leave and never come back

that'll teach us a thing or two
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Like it or not, there is one absolutely necessary thing for any debate on any matter. Which is both sides of the story. If you are denied that, your civil rights have been violated just as bad as mine have. So where are your complaints.
Yeah. Well, if we were debating Yes/No kinds of questions, yes, both sides of the story would cover it. But the debates here tend to slide off into politics or values or morals - which can have many more than two sides - especially politics.

Because there are so many voices coming through here, with varying degrees of experience in the World, in work, in education - I value a common regard for the other sides of discussions. & screaming matches, TMK, never convince anyone.
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And they have been at just about every forum I have been at. What civil right is that? The right to speak the truth as best I can. And to debate others over the truthfulness of it. I can only do so in a very limited fashion here. For example, I started a thread called "The joy of being "offensive." it was shitcanned to a section that can't be viewed unless you are a logged in member. The thing that gets me is that I wasn't even being offensive in it. I didn't say nijjer, splick, goop or any of that. Also, I have been accused of being freemind. I looked up some of his threads. Some of them are closed down to debate. Why? Because he was right!

Like it or not, there is one absolutely necessary thing for any debate on any matter. Which is both sides of the story. If you are denied that, your civil rights have been violated just as bad as mine have. So where are your complaints.
God, but you are a fucking cry-baby. Who knew Nazi's would be such snowflakes?
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And they have been at just about every forum I have been at. What civil right is that? The right to speak the truth as best I can. And to debate others over the truthfulness of it. I can only do so in a very limited fashion here. For example, I started a thread called "The joy of being "offensive." it was shitcanned to a section that can't be viewed unless you are a logged in member. The thing that gets me is that I wasn't even being offensive in it. I didn't say nijjer, splick, goop or any of that. Also, I have been accused of being freemind. I looked up some of his threads. Some of them are closed down to debate. Why? Because he was right!

Like it or not, there is one absolutely necessary thing for any debate on any matter. Which is both sides of the story. If you are denied that, your civil rights have been violated just as bad as mine have. So where are your complaints.
I'm assuming your little rant is concerning your First Amendment rights ??

If so you've just shown your ignorance of how those rights actually work. The First says the GOVERNMENT can't interfere with your rights to free speech. It does not say there won't be NON-governmental consequences.

Example, this is a privately owned website. If you're an obnoxious troll you can be bounced off the board. Have your rights been violated ?? NO SIR !!! Because it wasn't the GOVERNMENT that bounced you off, it was the private citizen owner or moderator of the board.

Same goes for your job. Call your boss an asshole. It's free speech after all. You're completely entitled to your opinion. You won;t be put in jail for expressing those opinions. But that doesn't mean you aren't going to be fired.

After the NAZI marched thru Charlottesville there were lots of picture posted on Facebook and other social media. More than a few of those white supremacists got home to find out they no longer had jobs. The government really couldn't stop them from marching. Though the university had every right to have them removed from the campus, I don't understand why they weren't all arrested. They did NOT have a permit to go goose stepping ARMED across the college grounds.

So you see my friend. The constitution says the GOVERNMENT can't interfere with your free speech or practice of religion. But that doesn't mean there aren't and won't be consequences for anything you say.
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Sorry OP, your "civil rights" ended when you logged into this forum.
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Old July 4th, 2018, 01:07 PM   #7
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If I left, who would point out to people like you, RNG and Hollywood how astonishingly wrong you are.
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Yeah. Well, if we were debating Yes/No kinds of questions, yes, both sides of the story would cover it. But the debates here tend to slide off into politics or values or morals - which can have many more than two sides - especially politics.

Because there are so many voices coming through here, with varying degrees of experience in the World, in work, in education - I value a common regard for the other sides of discussions. & screaming matches, TMK, never convince anyone.
When it gets right down to it, there are only two sides to anything. The haves and the have nots.

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When it gats right down to it, there are only two sides to anything. The haves and the have nots.
Ah, well, then; we'll have to agree to disagree. Or maybe not.
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I'm assuming your little rant is concerning your First Amendment rights ??

If so you've just shown your ignorance of how those rights actually work. The First says the GOVERNMENT can't interfere with your rights to free speech. It does not say there won't be NON-governmental consequences.

Example, this is a privately owned website. If you're an obnoxious troll you can be bounced off the board. Have your rights been violated ?? NO SIR !!! Because it wasn't the GOVERNMENT that bounced you off, it was the private citizen owner or moderator of the board.

Same goes for your job. Call your boss an asshole. It's free speech after all. You're completely entitled to your opinion. You won;t be put in jail for expressing those opinions. But that doesn't mean you aren't going to be fired.

After the NAZI marched thru Charlottesville there were lots of picture posted on Facebook and other social media. More than a few of those white supremacists got home to find out they no longer had jobs. The government really couldn't stop them from marching. Though the university had every right to have them removed from the campus, I don't understand why they weren't all arrested. They did NOT have a permit to go goose stepping ARMED across the college grounds.

So you see my friend. The constitution says the GOVERNMENT can't interfere with your free speech or practice of religion. But that doesn't mean there aren't and won't be consequences for anything you say.
This is not the first time I have started a thread like this. So it isn't the first time I received a stupid reply like yours. I will try to explain the truth to you. But I don't expect it to go anywhere. First, what is a government. It is a political structure that has rules. Next, in the Bill of Rights the government has a rule to allow freedom of speech. (Among other things) Next, what is the function of government. It is to rule the people.

Now, with all this being the case, "the people" shouldn't be allowed to limit freedom of speech. Not the private sector or the coporate sector. Because the government itself won't allow itself to limit freedom of speech. And if they don't allow themselves to do it, it stands to reason that those they rule shouldn't be allowed to either. Does this make any sense to you?

You also bring up the Charlottesville thing. Not that I would believe anything you say. Being biased as you are. But you say that there were those who did some sort of march without a permit. But the bill of rights also allows people to peaceably to assemble. (That there was those who were against what they stood for and decided to make it unpeaceble isn't their fault) So why should they have needed a permit to assemble (if what you said was true) when the Bill Of Rights already gives them that right.

Lastly, if you don't have the right to be "offensive" in what you have to say, your rights to say anything are severely limited. Do you agree or disagree with this.

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