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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #61
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kate" data-cid="457448">I won't dispute that it's good, just whether or not we can survive it. From a scientific standpoint, when regeneration occurs, life begins anew.*</blockquote>


we can survive the warm much more than the cold.* When the cold comes, the food goes away..** Shorter Growing periods.

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Pandemics are always during Cooling periods from the Black Death of the 1600s,** Flu outbreaks of* spanish and swine flu 1917 and 18 * the Hong kong flu etc.. all occured during* cooling periods..
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="RedLiberal" data-cid="457699" data-time="1359064664">ImagineThat is a fucking genius....just saying. Anyone who's trying to debate with him, please stop. You clearly are outta your league (this isn't sarcasm).


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Look, it's common sense that Global Warming exist. Let me throw a problem at you- what happens you release CO2 into the atmosphere (i.e. drive a car) and simultaneously remove a CO2-removing source (i.e. cut down a tree)? Any little kid could answer that question.</blockquote>


That is why I skulked to the peanut gallery. He is informed and formidable on the subject. Someone would need to bring their A game to make a go of it.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kate" data-cid="457449">I find it illogical to think we don't have some sort of an impact on our surrounding environment. Especially the last century. But even in the dark ages (which were cooler) people were contaminating their environment. Granted it was a lack of knowledge, but had anyone taken the time to figure it out sooner, perhaps a few plagues could have been averted.*

Now, taking into account the 7,000,000,000 people breathing, 1,000,000,000 vehicles putting out exhaust, and the decline of vegetation, this has got to amount to something.t

In the grand scheme of things it may seem insignificant, but because 'WE DON'T KNOW' shall we just turn our heads and look the other way. Perhaps a new plague of greater proportion will annihilate half the population. Not that it matters, we all die eventually. But if indeed there is something to what is being said, the planet will adjust.*

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I find it illogical we have a major effect on the climate..****

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What effects the climate* is* orbital wobble and Solar Cycles.**** we are 200K miles closer to the sun than were were in the 1850s* plus the solar cycle of the Dalton minimum ended* that is why we are warming** Remember ust 150-170 we were in the LITTLE ICE AGE..***

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We are comming out of an Ice age that is why we have been warming.**since 1998 the trend has been cooling.** with exception of 2005
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Jimmyb" data-cid="457163" data-time="1358980962">*I wonder how temperatures and co2 were much higher at different times in Earth's history without man or man's influence? I wonder why there is no science that can tie co2 to warming.</blockquote>


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Sorry Jimmy, but every time I see this old saw pulled out, I've got to call foul. And this goes for your points TN, too.


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CO2 levels are not the only factor driving the earth's climate, and moreover, there is no*either/or gateway here. Humans have increased CO2 levels, and in the past various events increased CO2 levels. We're still learning what all affects the earth's climate, the inter-relationships between the forces, and what are the "threshold points" when normally self-regulating cycles go ballistic.*


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You don't need to wonder too hard how temperatures and CO2 levels were much higher - or lower - in the history of the earth, pre-industrial age. Any number of reasons could apply, but the most likely reason is radical episodes of vulcanism. But there could be other reasons, such as big methane releases since methane decomposes in the upper atmosphere into CO2.*


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And that measly 2.5 percent? Yep, that could tip a delicate balance, probably has done so already, and the vast stores of methane in the tundra and on the ocean floor could suddenly undergo sublimation ... in fact, this is being observed. Methane is a far, far more potent greenhouse gas ... and it decomposes into CO2.


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I hope that helps, and I hope I don't have to repeat this. There's nothing about higher CO2 levels in the past that speaks to human-released CO2 today, except that both apparently make the atmosphere warmer.
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I do understand CO<sub>2</sub>**it*is* a water*soluable gas.**


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The oceans are a sink for the gas,** try and experiment with another well know CO<sub>2* </sub>sink..*** Pick a cola, I prefer Coke Zero for my consumption.


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Open 3 bottles put 1 in the frig, put 1*on the counter at ambiant temprature, the other put it in a pan of water*on the stove and heat the water..* What order to they lose their CO<sub>2</sub>.


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Well if you look at the records from Ice*core samples you will notice CO<sub>2</sub> increases in the atmosphere*AFTER warming begins.* Just as you noted in the experiment.* The Oceans warm release* Carbon Dioxide as well as other gases such as methane.* *


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So* CO<sub>2</sub> in the atmosphere in increasing amounts is not the cause of warming it is an effect of the warming (or is that affect) anyway..* When the EArth Cools* the Oceans absorbs the Gases againg* and the Decrease in CO2 levels is seen following cooling cycles.
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Well, I'm glad you finally got the physics correct after you'd earlier noted that warm oceans hold more CO2. Whether increases in CO2 precede or follow warming isn't settled science, but this study says they precede warming.


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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><span style="font-size:24px;">Study: Carbon Dioxide Increase Caused End of Ice Age <span style="font-size:18px;">A climate scientist says his research indicates growing levels of carbon dioxide are the cause of global temperature increases



By*JASON KOEBLER

April 4, 2012


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A team of climate experts say they've solved the chicken-or-egg question—Which came first? Carbon dioxide or temperature increases?—surrounding the global warming debate for years: Around 10,000 years ago, increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere caused the end of the last Ice Age.


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Scientists have known for decades that an increased level of carbon dioxide gas in the atmosphere accompanied higher global temperatures, but no one was able to prove that the gas increases came before higher temperatures.


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"We've known that CO2 was a big driver of the end of the ice age for a while now, but this is just another nail in that coffin," says Jeremy Shakun, who completed much of the research for his Ph.D. at Oregon State University and is now a post-doctoral fellow for NOAA at Harvard and Columbia Universities. His article was published Wednesday in the science journal*Nature.


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[Read*Study: Global Warming is Real]


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Global warming skeptics argue that carbon dioxide levels—measured in icicle records in Antarctica—seemed to have increased slightly after warming temperatures. That argument has been used by many, including Texas Rep. Joe Barton, in an attempt to discredit Al Gore's movie*An Inconvenient Truth.


"Historically, a rise in CO2 concentrations did not precede a rise in temperatures, but actually lagged temperature by 200 to 1,000 years," Barton argued. "The temperature appears to drive CO2, not vice versa. On this point, Mr. Vice President, you're not just off a little. You're totally wrong."


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Shakun says his research vindicates Gore. In the past, scientists measured temperatures near where the icicles were sampled—in Antarctica. But when averaging the global temperature change, he found on average, temperatures changed after the CO2 levels did.


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"We knew CO2 was connected to global warming, but it got a little chicken-and-egg like. The icicle records tell you what global carbon dioxide levels were, but they only tell you what the local temperature over Antarctica was," he says. "We said 'Let's look at the bigger picture,' and found that there's a strong argument that global temperature changes after the CO2 does."


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His team compiled temperature records from 80 sites around the world and found that the temperature rises closely matched the global warming curve scientists predicted. The temperature change in Antarctica lags behind the rest of the world by a couple centuries, according to those records.


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Leighton Steward, who runs Plants Need CO2, an organization that advocates for putting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in order to fertilize plants, says*there is more than one climate change-driver, and that temperature records dating back several thousand years could be inaccurate.


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Scientists aren't positive why CO2 levels rose during the end of the Ice Age, but they have a few hypotheses. Their best guess is that pent up carbon dioxide at the bottom of the Southern Ocean near Antarctica somehow escaped, but Shakun says that's a "big outstanding mystery" in climate science.


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Shakun says his study should open the eyes of those who say human carbon emissions don't contribute to modern climate change.


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"Back then, it was natural, but the key thing is—we found that carbon dioxide was driving global warming back then. The Earth doesn't care where the carbon dioxide came from—if it caused it back then, it's going to cause it today," he says. "Over the last 7,000 years of the Ice Age, the CO2 levels rose by 100 parts per million. Over the last century, we've run up the same amount. You look at that, and it's sobering."

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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...end-of-ice-age


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Of course, I'm sure you can find sources that contradict this study. *
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http://www.esd.ornl....n/nerc130k.html


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150,000 y.a. - cold, dry full glacial world


around 130,000 y.a. - rapid warming initiates the Eemian interglacial (Stage 5e)


130,000-110,000 y.a. - global climates generally warmer and moister than present, but with progressive cooling to temperatures more similar to present.


(except for possible global cold, dry event at 121,000 y.a.)


?110,000 y.a. - a strong cooling marks the end of the Eemian interglacial (Stage 5e).


105,000-95,000 y.a. - climate warms slightly but still cooler and drier than present; strong fluctuations.


95,000 - 93,000 y.a. - another cooler phase similar to that at 110,000 y.a.


93,000 - 75,000 y.a. - a milder phase, resembling that at 105,000-95,000 y.a.


75,000 - 60,000 y.a. - full glacial world, cold and dry (the 'Lower Pleniglacial' or Stage 4)


60,000 - 25,000 y.a. - 'middling phase' of highly unstable but generally cooler and drier-than-present conditions (Stage 3)


25,000 - 15,000 y.a. - full glacial world, cold and dry; Stage 2 (includes the 'Last Glacial Maximum')


(This period includes two 'coldest phases' - Heinrich Events - at around 23,000-21,000 y.a. and at 17,000-14,500 y.a.)


14,500 y.a. - rapid warming and moistening of climates in some areas. Rapid deglaciation begins.


13,500 y.a. - nearly all areas with climates at least as warm and moist as today's


12,800 y.a. (+/- 200 years)- rapid onset of cool, dry Younger Dryas in many areas


11,500 y.a. (+/- 200 years) - Younger Dryas ends suddenly, back to warmth and moist climates (Holocene, or Stage 1)


9,000 y.a. - 8,200 y.a. - climates warmer and often moister than today's


about 8,200 y.a. - sudden cool and dry phase in many areas


8,000-4,500 y.a. - climates somewhat warmer and moister than today's


Since 4,500 y.a. - climates fairly similar to the present


(except; about 2600 y.a. - relatively wet/cold event (of unknown duration) in many areas)


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if you notice of the last 150,000 years 80,000 are as warm or warmer* 70,000 are cooler.

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It's interesting, but proves nothing in and of itself.
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*Yes it does when only 6 out of 100 scientific studies* say global warming is man made..** that speaks volumes..


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Remember the Man Made Global Warming Alarmist say there is the Great Consensus.


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The Consensus is* WE DON'T KNOW* there are studies in about equal numbers on both sides that say Yes and No.</blockquote>


Where on earth do yo uget the figures 6 out of 100 scientific studies from?


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I have yet to read a study which show that global warming was NOT influenced by man and has read at least 20 suggesting that global warming IS influenced by man. So if your figure is right, I should have happened to read by coincidence all the studies which suggest man has an impact on the environment, which has a probability of less than 1%, while you should be able to provide me with more than 300 scientific studies which show that global warming is not affected by human beings. Can you should me just 30 out of those 300 studies? Can you show me 3?


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I will make you a deal. I will gladly show you 20 studies suggesting man influence global warming if you can show me 300 which says they don't. Or show you 1 if you can show me 15.


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Or you can admit that you have fabricated these numbers and have no proof whatsoever of what you are saying.


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only 6% of all climate studes support Man Made climate change..** 6% say no.. the rest say* There is not enough evidence to say one way or another.


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Ask yourself this question...**** Remember in 1970s* we were cooling* so the* "Alarmist" said THE ICE AGES ARE COMMING AND CO2 IS CAUSING IT WE MUST GIVE UP OUR FOSSEL ..* then mid 80s we began warming THE ALAMRIST said WAIT WAIT NO NO..* CO2 IS CAUSING WARMING..* WE MUST GIVE UP OUR FOSSEL FUELS..* not the Earth is Cooling again* they say NO NO IT IS CLIMATE CHANGE* CO2 IS MAKING THE CLIMATE CHANGE...* WE MUST GIVE UP OUR FOSSEL FUELS


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JOHN LOVETTS IS MORE CONSISTANT THAN THE* CLIMATE PANIC MONGERS.** (REMEMBER THE ACT WHERE HE WOULD* SAY one thing then change and say "YEA THATS THE TICKET"..****


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You have purchased the ticked for the biggest fake rollercoaster ride..** WATCHING CLIMATE* PANIC MONGERS switch their stories over and ofer


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Remember* they said we had no snow because of warming..* then we started getting blizzards in the mid 2000* then they said GLOBAL WARMING CAUSES SNOW ..*** Then Global warmign causes droughts,** then we start having floods* No no Global warming causes flooding* "Thats the ticket"


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then Al Gore and Mann said...* "GLOBAL WARMING CAUSES GLOBAL COOLING"*** either they have no clue are they are liars..**


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It is obvious they know what is happening they are LIARS trying to keep teh MONEY TRAIN BRINGING THEM THE CASH.
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we can survive the warm much more than the cold.* When the cold comes, the food goes away..** Shorter Growing periods.

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Pandemics are always during Cooling periods from the Black Death of the 1600s,** Flu outbreaks of* spanish and swine flu 1917 and 18 * the Hong kong flu etc.. all occured during* cooling periods..</blockquote>


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Again, "facts" pulled out of thin air....


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The major "cooling period" of the 20th century occurred in the middle of the century. The cooling of medieval times, the "Little Ice Age," affected agriculture. People were malnourished during the Black Death episode, which peaked in the mid-13th century, and the basic rules of hygiene were unknown at the time. No scientific inquiries have tied the Black Death to lower global temperatures.*


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Reptiles thrive during warm periods. Mammals generate heat, and thus can cope with cooling periods better than cold-blooded animals. The dominance of reptiles in general, and dinosaurs in particular, occurred during the Cretaceous Period, when the Earth's climate was hot and muggy. Then, for some reason not yet understood, the climate chilled, and that, along with a documented giant meteor strike, ended the age of dinosaurs.*


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After than, warm-blooded mammals became the dominant life form on land.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kate" data-cid="457448">I won't dispute that it's good, just whether or not we can survive it. From a scientific standpoint, when regeneration occurs, life begins anew.*</blockquote>


we can survive the warm much more than the cold.* When the cold comes, the food goes away..** Shorter Growing periods.

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Pandemics are always during Cooling periods from the Black Death of the 1600s,** Flu outbreaks of* spanish and swine flu 1917 and 18 * the Hong kong flu etc.. all occured during* cooling periods..
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Again, "facts" pulled out of thin air....


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The major "cooling period" of the 20th century occurred in the middle of the century. The cooling of medieval times, the "Little Ice Age," affected agriculture. People were malnourished during the Black Death episode, which peaked in the mid-13th century, and the basic rules of hygiene were unknown at the time. No scientific inquiries have tied the Black Death to lower global temperatures.*


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Reptiles thrive during warm periods. Mammals generate heat, and thus can cope with cooling periods better than cold-blooded animals. The dominance of reptiles in general, and dinosaurs in particular, occurred during the Cretaceous Period, when the Earth's climate was hot and muggy. Then, for some reason not yet understood, the climate chilled, and that, along with a documented giant meteor strike, ended the age of dinosaurs.*


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After than, warm-blooded mammals became the dominant life form on land.</blockquote>


YEP and what you posted is exactly what I said..***** during WW1 a cooling period began swine flu/spanish flu.. warmed agaiin in the 20s and 30s. colled* again* in the mid century we had a cooling period,* and came the Hong Kong Flu..** which returned around when there was cooling about 1970..


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I am glad* I pulled the CORRECT facts out of the Air..
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="TNVolunteer73" data-cid="457731" data-time="1359076565"><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kate" data-cid="457449">I find it illogical to think we don't have some sort of an impact on our surrounding environment. Especially the last century. But even in the dark ages (which were cooler) people were contaminating their environment. Granted it was a lack of knowledge, but had anyone taken the time to figure it out sooner, perhaps a few plagues could have been averted.*

Now, taking into account the 7,000,000,000 people breathing, 1,000,000,000 vehicles putting out exhaust, and the decline of vegetation, this has got to amount to something.t

In the grand scheme of things it may seem insignificant, but because 'WE DON'T KNOW' shall we just turn our heads and look the other way. Perhaps a new plague of greater proportion will annihilate half the population. Not that it matters, we all die eventually. But if indeed there is something to what is being said, the planet will adjust.*

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I find it illogical we have a major effect on the climate..****

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What effects the climate* is* orbital wobble and Solar Cycles.**** we are 200K miles closer to the sun than were were in the 1850s* plus the solar cycle of the Dalton minimum ended* that is why we are warming** Remember ust 150-170 we were in the LITTLE ICE AGE..***

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We are comming out of an Ice age that is why we have been warming.**since 1998 the trend has been cooling.** with exception of 2005</blockquote>


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More misinformation, the Earth is NOT 200K miles closer to the sun that it was in the 1850s. Good Lord man, where do you get your "facts"?


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Orbital wobbles, solar cycles and a few other factors influence the global climate, but so does CO2. How all the factors interact isn't understood completely, but it's understood well enough to know that atmospheric CO2 levels have been on the increase.*


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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Tracking the world's average temperature from the late 19th century, people in the 1930s realized there had been a pronounced warming trend. During the 1960s, weather experts found that over the past couple of decades the trend had shifted to cooling. With a new awareness that climate could change in serious ways, in the early 1970s some scientists predicted a continued gradual cooling, perhaps a phase of a long natural cycle or perhaps caused by human pollution of the atmosphere with smog and dust. Others insisted that the effects of such pollution were temporary, and humanity's emission of greenhouse gases would bring warming over the long run. All of them agreed that their knowledge was primitive and any prediction was guesswork. But understanding of the climate system was advancing swiftly. The view that warming must dominate won out in the late 1970s as it became clear that the cooling spell (mainly a Northern Hemisphere effect) had indeed been a temporary distraction. When the rise continued into the 21st century, penetrating even into the ocean depths, scientists recognized that it signaled a profound change in the climate system. Nothing like it had been seen for centuries, and probably not for millennia. The specific pattern of changes, revealed in objects ranging from ship logs to ice caps to tree rings, closely matched the predicted effects of greenhouse gas emissions.</blockquote>


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The above link give an understandable account of how scientists have struggled to understand the Earth's complicated climate. Give it look TN.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kate" data-cid="457448">I won't dispute that it's good, just whether or not we can survive it. From a scientific standpoint, when regeneration occurs, life begins anew.*</blockquote>


we can survive the warm much more than the cold.* When the cold comes, the food goes away..** Shorter Growing periods.

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Pandemics are always during Cooling periods from the Black Death of the 1600s,** Flu outbreaks of* spanish and swine flu 1917 and 18 * the Hong kong flu etc.. all occured during* cooling periods..
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Again, "facts" pulled out of thin air....


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The major "cooling period" of the 20th century occurred in the middle of the century. The cooling of medieval times, the "Little Ice Age," affected agriculture. People were malnourished during the Black Death episode, which peaked in the mid-13th century, and the basic rules of hygiene were unknown at the time. No scientific inquiries have tied the Black Death to lower global temperatures.*


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Reptiles thrive during warm periods. Mammals generate heat, and thus can cope with cooling periods better than cold-blooded animals. The dominance of reptiles in general, and dinosaurs in particular, occurred during the Cretaceous Period, when the Earth's climate was hot and muggy. Then, for some reason not yet understood, the climate chilled, and that, along with a documented giant meteor strike, ended the age of dinosaurs.*


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After than, warm-blooded mammals became the dominant life form on land.
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YEP and what you posted is exactly what I said..***** during WW1 a cooling period began swine flu/spanish flu.. warmed agaiin in the 20s and 30s. colled* again* in the mid century we had a cooling period,* and came the Hong Kong Flu..** which returned around when there was cooling about 1970..


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I am glad* I pulled the CORRECT facts out of the Air..</blockquote>


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Give me one credible source to back up your Spanish Flu allegation. Just one that's credible.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kate" data-cid="457448">I won't dispute that it's good, just whether or not we can survive it. From a scientific standpoint, when regeneration occurs, life begins anew.*</blockquote>


we can survive the warm much more than the cold.* When the cold comes, the food goes away..** Shorter Growing periods.

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Pandemics are always during Cooling periods from the Black Death of the 1600s,** Flu outbreaks of* spanish and swine flu 1917 and 18 * the Hong kong flu etc.. all occured during* cooling periods..
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Again, "facts" pulled out of thin air....


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The major "cooling period" of the 20th century occurred in the middle of the century. The cooling of medieval times, the "Little Ice Age," affected agriculture. People were malnourished during the Black Death episode, which peaked in the mid-13th century, and the basic rules of hygiene were unknown at the time. No scientific inquiries have tied the Black Death to lower global temperatures.*


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Reptiles thrive during warm periods. Mammals generate heat, and thus can cope with cooling periods better than cold-blooded animals. The dominance of reptiles in general, and dinosaurs in particular, occurred during the Cretaceous Period, when the Earth's climate was hot and muggy. Then, for some reason not yet understood, the climate chilled, and that, along with a documented giant meteor strike, ended the age of dinosaurs.*


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After than, warm-blooded mammals became the dominant life form on land.
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YEP and what you posted is exactly what I said..***** during WW1 a cooling period began swine flu/spanish flu.. warmed agaiin in the 20s and 30s. colled* again* in the mid century we had a cooling period,* and came the Hong Kong Flu..** which returned around when there was cooling about 1970..


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I am glad* I pulled the CORRECT facts out of the Air..
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Give me one credible source to back up your Spanish Flu allegation. Just one that's credible.</blockquote>


You forget I am a Microbiologist that works at a CDC Sentinal Laboratory


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I am familiar* very familiar* with the Pandemic cycles.* Bacterial and Viral.


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http://www.flu.gov/pandemic/history/1918/


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The Swine flu/Spanish Flu pandemic* killed more americans than were killed in WW1 and 2 combined.** almost 750,000 Americans.* over 20,000,000 world wide.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kate" data-cid="457448">I won't dispute that it's good, just whether or not we can survive it. From a scientific standpoint, when regeneration occurs, life begins anew.*</blockquote>


we can survive the warm much more than the cold.* When the cold comes, the food goes away..** Shorter Growing periods.

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Pandemics are always during Cooling periods from the Black Death of the 1600s,** Flu outbreaks of* spanish and swine flu 1917 and 18 * the Hong kong flu etc.. all occured during* cooling periods..
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Again, "facts" pulled out of thin air....


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The major "cooling period" of the 20th century occurred in the middle of the century. The cooling of medieval times, the "Little Ice Age," affected agriculture. People were malnourished during the Black Death episode, which peaked in the mid-13th century, and the basic rules of hygiene were unknown at the time. No scientific inquiries have tied the Black Death to lower global temperatures.*


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Reptiles thrive during warm periods. Mammals generate heat, and thus can cope with cooling periods better than cold-blooded animals. The dominance of reptiles in general, and dinosaurs in particular, occurred during the Cretaceous Period, when the Earth's climate was hot and muggy. Then, for some reason not yet understood, the climate chilled, and that, along with a documented giant meteor strike, ended the age of dinosaurs.*


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After than, warm-blooded mammals became the dominant life form on land.
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YEP and what you posted is exactly what I said..***** during WW1 a cooling period began swine flu/spanish flu.. warmed agaiin in the 20s and 30s. colled* again* in the mid century we had a cooling period,* and came the Hong Kong Flu..** which returned around when there was cooling about 1970..


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I am glad* I pulled the CORRECT facts out of the Air..
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Give me one credible source to back up your Spanish Flu allegation. Just one that's credible.
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You forget I am a Microbiologist that works at a CDC Sentinal Laboratory


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I am familiar* very familiar* with the Pandemic cycles.* Bacterial and Viral.


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http://www.flu.gov/pandemic/history/1918/


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The Swine flu/Spanish Flu pandemic* killed more americans than were killed in WW1 and 2 combined.** almost 750,000 Americans.* over 20,000,000 world wide.</blockquote>


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Yeah, I know about the Spanish Flu, however, there wasn't any "cooling period" during that time.
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