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Old October 31st, 2010, 05:40 PM   #91
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You've earned a compliment. Your material stands well enough, you could present it in a non-editorial way. I think a non-editorial presentation of the material you've gathered will heighten its overall positive possibility of stirring peoples' minds to think for themselves, whether they agree or disagree with the evidence you supply.



Disagreeing with some of the available evidence hasn't a logical leg on which to stand. Some of the video footage has been available for a long time. I was in my teens in the 60s. I remember watching the Zapruder fiasco, out of which survived the rather clear evidence that the bullet which most presumably killed Kennedy came from the front.



It's not rationally debatable. So, presenting your material "as it is" helps to strengthen the reasonability of it. Just my opinion. Best wishes to you.


This is the absolute best and most well written support I've gotten in ten months of posting on forums. People don't believe it because I think it's so conclusive which is rarely the case with conspiracy theories and people on forums have long standing beliefs that they won't waver from.
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This is the absolute best and most well written support I've gotten in ten months of posting on forums. People don't believe it because I think it's so conclusive which is rarely the case with conspiracy theories and people on forums have long standing beliefs that they won't waver from.


Every person has long standing beliefs that they won't waver from. This trait expresses itself both positively and negatively.



I have seen poll results taken over the years in which seven or eight out of every ten Americans have doubts about the official story. Seriously, to believe JFK's assassination was similar to a third-world country coup? That's scary stuff, and gets scarier yet because whoever was responsible got away with it. To this day.



Most aren't going to go there. Doubting seems the right thing to do, because the official story is doubtful, but most are content to live with their doubts. Nothin' you can do about it anyway, right?



If "some other power" has been at play in American business, politics and government for all these years, it's not very likely that any reopening of the case, and reexamination of the evidence by "the power" is going to incriminate "the power."



However, this is not to rain on your work. It's good. Maybe you meet with more success than people who've preceded you.
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Thanks. That may be the best compliment I've gotten.


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Every person has long standing beliefs that they won't waver from. This trait expresses itself both positively and negatively.



I have seen poll results taken over the years in which seven or eight out of every ten Americans have doubts about the official story. Seriously, to believe JFK's assassination was similar to a third-world country coup? That's scary stuff, and gets scarier yet because whoever was responsible got away with it. To this day.



Most aren't going to go there. Doubting seems the right thing to do, because the official story is doubtful, but most are content to live with their doubts. Nothin' you can do about it anyway, right?



If "some other power" has been at play in American business, politics and government for all these years, it's not very likely that any reopening of the case, and reexamination of the evidence by "the power" is going to incriminate "the power."



However, this is not to rain on your work. It's good. Maybe you meet with more success than people who've preceded you.


In 1969, while in junior high school, my 8th grade special ed teacher thinks that it was Jack Ruby, who shot and killed Oswald, that assassinated Kennedy. Boy, the assassination was still fresh on our minds, less than six years after it happened.



Of course, in James Bishop's book, "The Day Kennedy Was Shot", Bishop said that Ruby felt sorry for Kennedy's children, and didn't want them to go through the trial of Oswald. Of course, even to this day, Oswald would still deny that he shot Kennedy. He was always saying to his interrogators, "I don't know what you are talking about."



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Old November 4th, 2010, 04:57 PM   #94
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Connally saw Greer shoot jfk

Connally said he saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot Kennedy.



Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

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Old November 12th, 2010, 06:31 AM   #95
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The driver killed kennedy

Debra Conway from JFK LANCER lies by ommission to her members about Greer placing gun in left hand.



If you guys don't cut out the personal attacks you'll have to stop playing in my yard. I mean it. With both your intelligence, you should be able to respond and be witty without being insulting.



Meanwhile, the Zfilm does show evidence that Greer did not shoot the president. All it takes is looking closely.





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She fails to tell her members that Greer places a covered up object in his left hand 4 seconds before he kills Kennedy. She's saying his left hand is at his side but we now know for sure that it's definitely not there because the nix film shows it crossing his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. Greer was jfk's real assassin.

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Old December 4th, 2010, 01:29 PM   #96
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Mocking an entire generation of baby boomers whose 47 year reign on covering up Jfk's real assassin has ended



Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill

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Over the past 24 hours a certain Robert Hanson was successful in penetrating the Deep Politics Forum with the obvious truth about the driver killing Kennedy and I banned him because the truth raped my soul so I used my power to censor the truth that has been known by Fetzer, Groden and hundreds of other researchers for decades.



In doing so, Hanson hosted a most enlightening workshop in the craft of sleuthing.



About a half-hour ago I discovered Hanson's blog, "The Driver Killed Kennedy." It seems to have been created on November 19 of this year.



From his blog there is his thread titled "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back."



In classic sleuthing style, Hanson cites a lengthy segment of Hill's WC testimony given to Arlen Specter so as to A) demonstrate his own familiarity with the record, and appeal to reading comprehension and general Kennedy sleuthing.



In essence, Hill states that she simply saw the Secret Service shooting back which is totally obvious to everyone looking at Greer's left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. SHE STATES THAT SHE SAW THE SS SHOOT BACK AND SHE CLEARLY STATES THAT SHE HEARD GUNFIRE FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL. This, in the real world is called corroboration. Greer is the only ss agent who shot back, so she could not have meant anyone else.



Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?

Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."



Hanson is TELLING THE TRUTH when he states that "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back,"



It's that simple.



I believe that he is TELLING TRUTH BUT AM REALLY AFRAID TO ADMIT IT.



Here's what Hill told Specter -- as published by Hanson on his own blog:



Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?



Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.



Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?



Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.



Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?



Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.

Specter was trying to make her sound crazy but she was simply describing the confusion of gunshots coming from all directions. She saw Greer shoot back and she heard what she thought were multiple shots from the knoll although there was only one fired immediately after Greer shot Kennedy to provide a distraction for Greer. The last shot arguably did come from the north knoll but was was fired to only confuse people as to who shot Kennedy. Without the last shot that followed Greer's, people would have thrown their hands up like the agents did after Roberts called them off jfk's limo. It was a dummie shot to confuse and give witnesses an alternative account for where the fatal shot really came from, the ss agent driving Kennedy's limo.



Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?



Mrs. HILL - Yes.



Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?



Mrs. HILL - That's right
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Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?



Mrs. HILL - No.



What could have prompted Hill to conclude that the SS was shooting in Dealey Plaza? Because she was looking right at Greer when he shot back at jfk's forehead.

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Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?

Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Mrs. Hill - ... I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know[.]



In point of FACT:



Hill offers eyewitness evidence for a Greer Shot.



Hill offers compelling ear witness testimony for a Grassy Knoll shot which is the red herring promoted by Hollywood and disinfo clowns like Groden and Fetzer
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And so we're left with this:



For the third time, Hanson is TELLING THE TRUTH when he states that "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back." I see no other viable interpretations for his obvious claim.



It's that simple.



Expect more of this sort of truth movement as we move closer to the 50th anniversary of the Dealey Plaza coup d'etat. I am afraid but I know just beneath the surface that Greer killed Kennedy.

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Old January 4th, 2011, 07:47 AM   #97
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FRAME 241 showing both hands close together right before he passes gun
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Greer passes gun and frame 258 showing covered gun by driver's door.



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Old January 4th, 2011, 07:50 AM   #98
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It doesn't get much more real than this

First of all, the Police man survived but only because the shooter's gun jammed. He pistol whipped him and then fled the scene. This nails it for the frontal shot slamming a man's head and body backward.

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Watch his head, there's no alteration or faux, forward head movement. He gets shot on the right forehead and goes backward and slumps leftward, the side he was leaning before the shot.

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Purre "Conspiracy Theory" poppycock. Only three shots were fired at President Kennedy, all ballistics tests verify it from the Warren Commision Report. All came from behind and up, from the Texas School Book Depository Building. All of the 375 some photographs taken within seconds of the shots reflect everybody looking back and up. Secret Service Agent Greer is reaching for his automatic weapon, the idea a SS man fired a shot at the President from inside the famous Lincoln Continental, sheer imagination. Oswald is your shooter; the first shot hit the pavement adjacent to the limo on the right side, possibly because it knicked a branch of the tree which blocked part of the shooters view. That bullet disintegrated - splayed itself alongside the curb, pieces of it splashed the occupants of the car, and it cracked the windshield on the inside right. The trajectory of that first bullet(s) pieces then follows a direct line down to the triple underpass where it injures a witness, identified, interviewed, and who appears in photos taken right at the time, exactly on-line with the first bullet(s) trajectory.



Bullet Number Two, the famous "Magic Bullet" of the Warren Commision, which is recovered almost pristine and intact in the wrist of Texas Governor John Connoley, passed through the upper back area of the President, exiting and nicking his tie, just below the windpipe, it didn't exit his neck. The President responds with what was thought for decades to be a pain reaction. It actually is something known as the Thornburn Effect (think I have that correct). When the spinal cord is damaged, or suffers severe trama, the arms move upward, elbows out, and freeze in that position. Only death would allow the President's arms to come back down to his side. This was something discovered by writer Gerald Posner in the 1980's while on assignment in Central America. He witnessed numerous Sandinista's lying on the ground , face down, in captivity. Each was shot in the back and in every case, their arms immediately popped up into the Thornburn Effect position, exactly like President Kennedy's did after that first shot, as the bullet wized right past his spinal cord (and he had back fushion surgery years earlier and back trouble all his adult life after World War II). That trama causes his arms to pop up, and his elbows to push out. The ballistics on the "Magic Bullet" reflect it entered Governor Conneley sideways, almost full length, and tumbled through his body, finally ending up in his wrist. Photos, and frames from the Zapruder film, and Conneley's own viewing of it, reflect at the time, he thinks he was hit on a particular frame, which would lend credence to another shooter. However, modern computer technology, which was able to slow that film down, reflect an inperceptible movement of the Governor's wrist, on the outside of the lims, holding his hat, which means he was struck earlier than he thought, and thus eliminating the idea of another shooter. Would have been impossible.



The final head shot, of course, and probably thankfully, the President didn't even feel it except for an instant, releases his arms in muscular death (he is brain dead instantly at that time), drives his head left and down onto the lap of Mrs. Kennedy, who attempts to flee the now speeding vehicle, and the President's body ends up with his head on the floor, and his legs up on the car rails, and one can see one of his feet sticking over the limo's side as it speeds away toward the hospital.



Read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner - the book all Kennedy conspiracy advocates hate and attempt to discredit all of the time, and can't. He unravels the assassination of the President, years later, using Warren Commision records (yet to be disproved in any fashion), and also locates, identifies, and documents what happened to every known witness in Dealy Plaza alive, at the time of the assassination. The initial witness reports are invalid as shown on television at the time, several of those people were not even in Dealy Plaza. Posner even locates the famous man with the umbrella (who even the FBI didn't find) and interviewed him, the umbrella open had no significance, it was just for shade, and the man had no connection to Kennedy, or Texas politics. Posner even gives a complete list of every person associated with that assassination and how they met their death's. There is a lot of speculation about many of those witnesses dying quickly after November 22, 1963. The number of deaths for their ages, matches normal insurance actuary tables in use for decades. People like the judge in the Ruby trial dying of a heart attack. He was 340 pounds, a glutton, and already had suffered two heart attacks previously. Or the famous comumnish Dorothy Kilgallen, who announced she was going to New Orleans and had evidence that would solve the Kennedy Assassination, dying within days. She had inoperable liver cancer at the time, and, far advanced.



The number of conspiracy theories, books, magazine articles, et al, concerning that horrible day in Dallas, Texas just keep on coming, much like the fact that there are still books about the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. The speculation will never stop, but no author, film, computer, or witness has ever come forth that could contradict with authority and proof, the massive work of the Warren Commision, wheras, author Gerald Posner was able to augment it. If you think there was a conspiracy to assassination President John F. Kennedy, read Posner's book "Case Closed" first, it is science, technology and solid investigative journalism, that debunks every conspiracy theory ever offerred about JFK's death..............Stan



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I love you, 7Forever! You are the STUFF that reality is made of.



You solved it and I'm embarrassed to say that I don't even know about the

"Nix film".



Please inform about this, I have seen shots from that side that intrigued me very much. Good animated gif work.



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