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Old October 31st, 2016, 12:32 PM   #61
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Read the Bible it will explain it all!
I have, and it doesn't without a huge application of doublethink.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 12:39 PM   #62
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Sorry, total load of horse shit. It's how Christians "explain away" their own prejudices, biases and phobias. You're saying "I don't hate you personally for being gay, you seem like a lovely person, but all faggots are going to burn in hell, and I don't want God to associate me with you. Your queerness might rub off and I'll get sent to hell for being your friend".

YOU are STILL EXPECTING other people to CHANGE THEIR LIVES according to the PARTS of the bible you CHOOSE to believe in. You're still expecting EVERYONE else to change according to YOUR particular beliefs. YOU have still decided that they are sinners and thus judged them. It's a limp dicked argument. You're still judging people because they live differently than you do. And you're judging them for things that truly are NONE of your damned business.

Jesus said love them as yourself. He didn't say love them as yourself ..... EXCEPT if they are (insert sin here)
I think you are casting a pretty wide net. There may be some who expect others to change and the overwhelming majority to not. I do not care if anyone changes or not. That is their business. I have never once preached to anyone about their lifestyle in the context of the Bible. I have friends who are intelligent atheists and a few acquaintances that are gay.

I do not think it a wise choice to discriminate against someone for their lifestyle or beliefs, but that does come with a caveat: No constitutional concept or doctrine should be compromised to accommodate someone’s alternate lifestyle or race. The three most basic unalienable rights we have are in the Fifth Amendment: life, liberty, and property. The Civil Rights Act violates the liberty and property concept, and the Civil Rights Act violates the Constitution: if federal legislation is not explicitly enumerated in Article I, Section 8, it is unconstitutional. No one is immune from having this type of government, the rule of man, affect them at some point in their life as this opens the door for whoever is in power to create laws and interpret the Constitution to support their world-view. This breakdown of federalism of making an issue that is under the purview of a state a national issue is just one of the ways this country is bitterly divided and there is no putting that toothpaste back in the tube.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 12:49 PM   #63
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The people who support the theories of Karl Marx are called Marxists, not Liberals.
Liberalism is a totally different political philosophy.
He was using the Rush Limbaugh definition.

AM talk radio is where most conservatives in America receive their educations.
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Sorry, total load of horse shit. It's how Christians "explain away" their own prejudices, biases and phobias. You're saying "I don't hate you personally for being gay, you seem like a lovely person, but all faggots are going to burn in hell, and I don't want God to associate me with you. Your queerness might rub off and I'll get sent to hell for being your friend".

YOU are STILL EXPECTING other people to CHANGE THEIR LIVES according to the PARTS of the bible you CHOOSE to believe in. You're still expecting EVERYONE else to change according to YOUR particular beliefs. YOU have still decided that they are sinners and thus judged them. It's a limp dicked argument. You're still judging people because they live differently than you do. And you're judging them for things that truly are NONE of your damned business.

Jesus said love them as yourself. He didn't say love them as yourself ..... EXCEPT if they are (insert sin here)

You are so wrong it is sad.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.


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And the many verses in The Bible about only God, and not yourself, being the judge of your actions?

76 Bible verses about God, As Judge

My actions reflect Biblical doctrine!
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false that is an unfounded assumption there is no biblical or non biblical source to corroborate it.
Fail.
John Chapter 1
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Old October 31st, 2016, 02:20 PM   #67
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IT, you are so right. "most unloving, judgmental and unforgiving"......and this is why our young people and others have moved away from Christianity. We have become so hypocritical. We talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. It is so easy to preach and so very difficult to be a role model.
We just had this scripture in church yesterday. One of my faves:
Matthew 25: 40-45 (NIV)
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
This passage appears to confirm universalism, and the Bible is full of such affirmations of universalism. Think of the arrogance of most religions:" Listen up. We have the full story and the story we have is correct." I doubt the human mind is capable of having the full story, and even if we are capable of having it, I doubt we'd be able to understand it fully.

That's why Jesus boiled the story down to two commandments, and even at that we show little aptitude for accomplishing those. Every religion attempts to take the spiritual and incorporate it into the "wisdom of the world." It's an endeavor certain to fail.

That's why we find the "Jesus" of most Christian religions isn't the radical revolutionary who preached loving one's enemies but rather a "Jesus" who blesses the troops going off to war and the governments responsible for sending them.

Utter nonsense.
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My actions reflect Biblical doctrine!
Come on, that's like following Star Fleet Command.
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Exactly, I don't see much of the teachings of Jesus in organized religion. today's churches seem to be moving further and further away.

I just talked to a friend I had not had contact with in a few months. She had mentioned in a facebook post some months ago that her sister had died. Now this person is pretty close to what I'd call a real Christian. I had no idea the pain she felt when her sister died.

Turns out the sister was in all likelyhood a lesbian. They used the word Tomboy. But coming from a devout family and living in Africa she was unable to be herself. So she drank and often used drugs and rarely if ever had any sort of relationships. Now her parents never threw her out or openly judged her. But the rest of the family, including my friend, did. They often asked the parents why they hadn't toss her out. Between the stress, the alcohol and the drugs she had a massive heart attack at the ripe old age of 49 and died sitting in a little club somewhere.

What my friend said to me was she realizes now just how UNCHRISTIAN she had been towards her sister. That she can't go back and tell her she's sorry caused her considerable pain. She also said she has no doubt her sister is waiting in heaven, and she only hopes and prays Jesus will forgive her for her unwillingness to simply love her sister just as she was. My friend isn't perfect but she's trying and certainly taking the lesson to heart.

I'm not particularly religious, and what few beliefs I do have aren't Christian. Yet we've been friends for a decade now and they thank God for bringing me into their lives. She flat said the other day they wouldn't be citizens, have a nice home and a successful business were it not for me. I don't feel like I did very much. But apparently they see my advice, council and helping with some paperwork as a vital step on their journey to (not to sound cliche') achieving the American dream.

I guess we truly never know when even the smallest act can change the world for someone else. How ironic they view me, an agnostic pagan, as one of God's gifts to them. I see the real teachings of Jesus in that.

But in mainstream Christianity, we have people who literally throw their children into the streets for being gay, or even just getting pregnant. I don't see any religion in that.

And yet, these same people are the ones SO TERRIFIED of Sharia law. They don't realize they are trying to impose their own Christian version of Sharia on this country.
Christians have imposed a Sharia analogue on the pagans for centuries. Convert or die was the choice. Oh, and btw we're stealing all your resources.
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I have no problem with a DIY religion, but if someone calls themselves "a Christian" it seems weird to ignore the more radical teachings of the one called Jesus Christ, such as:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren[i] only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Are you saying you abide by that scripture, you bless those who disagree with politically because that is a lie. My responsibility is to preach the Gospel and light to a dark world. I am sickened by the gray, you can't be pro abortion, or homosexuality, or covetousness, and call yourself a Christian but you can call yourself a democrat and in many cases a Republican.
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