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Old December 17th, 2016, 06:03 PM   #51
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If we weren't still doing it now maybe that would be true. I'm not hanging my head in shame, I believe in most of the ideals of this country but the underhanded and sneaky tactics of so called intelligence agencies (that superpowers) use to spread their ideals is repulsive. The CIC knows we do the same shit and is consciously aware of it but is still arrogant enough to talk shit in front of the whole world. The word hypocrisy comes to mind.
I don't have any love for the CIA. They screwed the pooch royally in Iran back in '53, the Bay of Pigs fiasco done behind JFK's back, Operation MK-ULTRA, the Congo, Ecuador, Operation CHAOS, Iran/Contra, it goes on and on.

Who was the last president we had that didn't talk shit in front of the whole world? Name any leader of any developed nation that doesn't talk shit in front of the whole world. I am not defending talking shit.

Honest question: What would you do in Obama's place?
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Everything that people have on the internet, email accounts and such are often hacked. Frankly I could give two shits about whether the DNC or the RNC was hacked. Anything on those emails damn we better not be state secrets or really of any great importance. The petty crap learned about the DNC giving questions in advance to Hillary, or John Podesta's various bits of nattiness, is not my concern. What does concern me is Hillary conducting government communications on a rogue server. Knowing foreign entities and governments are constantly trying to hack things points out how reckless Hillary's actions were.
Honestly, that's not the point here, although the Sanders releases clearly had a motive. This is:
Putin Lays Down the Gauntlet to Obama Over Hacking Claims: ‘Show Proof or Shut Up’
If you were president, would you shut up if you had pretty firm evidence that a foreign power had attempted to influence elections in your nation?
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Prove it or shut the fck up, is my excuse every time.
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I don't have any love for the CIA. They screwed the pooch royally in Iran back in '53, the Bay of Pigs fiasco done behind JFK's back, Operation MK-ULTRA, the Congo, Ecuador, Operation CHAOS, Iran/Contra, it goes on and on.

Who was the last president we had that didn't talk shit in front of the whole world? Name any leader of any developed nation that doesn't talk shit in front of the whole world. I am not defending talking shit.

Honest question: What would you do in Obama's place?
...Set an example and take the high road like his wife says...Stop trying to rearrange the furniture in someone else's house until your own is in order, lead by example, tit for tat gets you farther apart than closer together.
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Honestly, that's not the point here, although the Sanders releases clearly had a motive. This is:
Putin Lays Down the Gauntlet to Obama Over Hacking Claims: ‘Show Proof or Shut Up’
If you were president, would you shut up if you had pretty firm evidence that a foreign power had attempted to influence elections in your nation?
Is your avatar of Dire Straits lead singer Mark Knopfler ? It looks like him. My mum took me to the Adelaide oval back in 1986 to see those guys. I was only 6 years old, but I remember them. They were cool. There most popular song is called Money For Nothing And your Checks For Free.
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China is going to give back the wayward drone and Putin tells Obama to put up or shut up. The new and improved Grand Alliance; China, Putin, Trump. Europe better keep an eye on this unexpected development.
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China is going to give back the wayward drone and Putin tells Obama to put up or shut up. The new and improved Grand Alliance; China, Putin, Trump. Europe better keep an eye on this unexpected development.
LMAO I know people on that ship. That is hilarious. I miss the Chinese Frigates pointing there deck cannons at me when I was working on deck. Good times
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Honestly, that's not the point here, although the Sanders releases clearly had a motive. This is:
Putin Lays Down the Gauntlet to Obama Over Hacking Claims: ‘Show Proof or Shut Up’
If you were president, would you shut up if you had pretty firm evidence that a foreign power had attempted to influence elections in your nation?
Pretty firm evidence that the Russians "may" have been behind the hacking of the DNC and RNC an Hillary Clinton's emails? Yes I would stay quiet on it.
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LMAO I know people on that ship. That is hilarious. I miss the Chinese Frigates pointing there deck cannons at me when I was working on deck. Good times
My ship tailed two Red China cargo ships to near Haiphong Harbor. We were close enough that the Executive Officer used a bullhorn to speak to them saying Nixon has mined the harbor and you travel at your own risk. Deck guns on the Chinese ships were hidden under canvas and I could see them laughing at us. I told the Captain to train the mount (gun) and point it at them and I bet they quit laughing. The Captain looked at me with a mean face and said nothing and I shut up.
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...Set an example and take the high road like his wife says...Stop trying to rearrange the furniture in someone else's house until your own is in order, lead by example, tit for tat gets you farther apart than closer together.
What do you do when someone "leaks" that you knew the Russians most likely tampered with our elections, and you said nothing?

That's the nature of the dog-eat-dog environment presidents must handle.
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