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Old December 16th, 2016, 02:47 PM   #1
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.Washington, D.C. – After the outlandish claims made by U.S. officials, that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally “hacked the US presidential election,” Putin has had enough of the relentless barrage of unproven allegations, and laid down the gauntlet to the U.S. President Obama.
“Either stop talking about it or finally provide some evidence. Otherwise, it looks indecent,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters in Tokyo on Friday.

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. Then, Barack Obama, on Thursday, announced that the United States will “take action” at the “time and place of our choosing” in response to unverified CIA claims of hacking by the Russian government – an allegation which remains unproven and extremely suspect. He noted that a U.S. response “may be explicit and publicized,” and that “some of it may not be.”
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. The Russian government responded by warning that Obama’s threat to “retaliate” to the alleged cyber attack, without providing any evidence, would be a violation of “both American and international law.” Peskov hinted at of an open-ended escalation if Obama chooses to launch a cyberwar against Russia at today’s scheduled press conference.
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That's the problem with quoting articles without any comment by the poster. What do you think about this threat from Putin?

Anyway, Obama isn't going to shut up.
Obama says election cyberattack came from the 'highest levels' of the Russian government and vows retaliation

President Obama publicly accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of involvement in cyberattacks aimed at the U.S. election and leveled a threat on Friday — that the U.S. would retaliate, perhaps in ways no one but the Russians would see.

Obama said that he had “great confidence" in the assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies that the Russians had carried out computer hacks aimed at the Democratic National Committee and senior aides to presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and that the operation had been approved at “the highest levels” in Moscow.

"Not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin," he added, saying that the Russians needed to understand that “we can do stuff to you.”

U.S. counter-strikes would come “in a thoughtful, methodical way” and would be felt by the Russians, Obama said. “Some of it, we will do in a way that they know, but not everybody will.”
More: Obama says election cyberattack came from the 'highest levels' of the Russian government and vows retaliation - LA Times
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That's the problem with quoting articles without any comment by the poster. What do you think about this threat from Putin?

Anyway, Obama isn't going to shut up.
Obama says election cyberattack came from the 'highest levels' of the Russian government and vows retaliation

President Obama publicly accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of involvement in cyberattacks aimed at the U.S. election and leveled a threat on Friday — that the U.S. would retaliate, perhaps in ways no one but the Russians would see.

Obama said that he had “great confidence" in the assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies that the Russians had carried out computer hacks aimed at the Democratic National Committee and senior aides to presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and that the operation had been approved at “the highest levels” in Moscow.

"Not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin," he added, saying that the Russians needed to understand that “we can do stuff to you.”

U.S. counter-strikes would come “in a thoughtful, methodical way” and would be felt by the Russians, Obama said. “Some of it, we will do in a way that they know, but not everybody will.”
More: Obama says election cyberattack came from the 'highest levels' of the Russian government and vows retaliation - LA Times


I think that Obama should not go about making public accusations w/o any evidence especially when he only has a few weeks left in the White House.

If there is in fact a real investigation what is there to gain by tipping our hand prematurely? Nothing. Now if it is all a smokescreen designed to tarnish trump before he even steps into office. To attempt to bring more heat onto Russia that the neocons and the mic so desperately want then it all makes sence.

The only people that this seems logical to are those who were either hell bent on going to war w/ Russia or honestly believes that Clinton is still the rightful heir to the White House.
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I think that Obama should not go about making public accusations w/o any evidence especially when he only has a few weeks left in the White House.

If there is in fact a real investigation what is there to gain by tipping our hand prematurely? Nothing. Now if it is all a smokescreen designed to tarnish trump before he even steps into office. To attempt to bring more heat onto Russia that the neocons and the mic so desperately want then it all makes sence.

The only people that this seems logical to are those who were either hell bent on going to war w/ Russia or honestly believes that Clinton is still the rightful heir to the White House.
This "hell bent on going to war with Russia" is a line straight out of the Kremlin. It is what the paranoid Russkis believe. Wait, no, because Putin and his cronies lined their pockets when the price of oil was high, this is what the Russian citizens have been told..

Russian infrastructure makes ours look really good. Take away oil exports, and there's nothing to the Russian "industrial base." Russians were marching in the streets in 2012, demanding an end to the corruption endemic in the government and the highest echelons of business.

Putin came down hard, and has murdered journalists and opposition leaders ever since. But discontent simmers, inside the opposition to Putin's United Russia party and from the nostalgics who murmur about how things were better under Stalin,

So, to distract the people they've been told the US is looking for a nuclear war with Russia. Collectively, the horror of WWII still lurks in the minds of many. "The US wants a nuclear war with us' scares the hell out of the people. Of course, the Good Tsar Putin will save them.

Now all that makes sense from a Russian's point of view, but what gets me is Americans picking up the Russian line and repeating it like a mantra.

It's bullshit. Russia is our enemy according to them. They're not to be trusted or believed. It's their choice. It's true, over the last 60 years or so Western leaders have misled Russian leaders. Gorbachev in particular was screwed by GHW. But nobody in the US government wants a nuclear war with Russia.

No body.
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That's the problem with quoting articles without any comment by the poster. What do you think about this threat from Putin?

Anyway, Obama isn't going to shut up.
Obama says election cyberattack came from the 'highest levels' of the Russian government and vows retaliation

President Obama publicly accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of involvement in cyberattacks aimed at the U.S. election and leveled a threat on Friday — that the U.S. would retaliate, perhaps in ways no one but the Russians would see.

Obama said that he had “great confidence" in the assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies that the Russians had carried out computer hacks aimed at the Democratic National Committee and senior aides to presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and that the operation had been approved at “the highest levels” in Moscow.

"Not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin," he added, saying that the Russians needed to understand that “we can do stuff to you.”

U.S. counter-strikes would come “in a thoughtful, methodical way” and would be felt by the Russians, Obama said. “Some of it, we will do in a way that they know, but not everybody will.”
More: Obama says election cyberattack came from the 'highest levels' of the Russian government and vows retaliation - LA Times

A couple of points.
1) STILL SITTING PRESIDENT Barack Obama can say any damn thing he wants.
2) PUTIN is a murdering, lying thug and anyone who defends him is stupid.
3) It is absolutely unbelieveable and unprecedented for Americans to choose sides/leaders/countries on this issue, just because Trump the Asshat thinks Putin is cool. Do not call yourself an American patriot and then trash our intelligence agencies who have kept us safe. It's like trashing our military--our veterans. NO NO NO. It's just wrong from every angle.
4) Having said all that, it's time for the CIA and all the intelligence agencies to PONY UP. I want facts--proof--evidence. Put up or SHUT up.....not that the RW fringe will believe it, but the American public has a right to know exactly what they've got.
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I think that Obama should not go about making public accusations w/o any evidence especially when he only has a few weeks left in the White House.

If there is in fact a real investigation what is there to gain by tipping our hand prematurely? Nothing. Now if it is all a smokescreen designed to tarnish trump before he even steps into office. To attempt to bring more heat onto Russia that the neocons and the mic so desperately want then it all makes sence.

The only people that this seems logical to are those who were either hell bent on going to war w/ Russia or honestly believes that Clinton is still the rightful heir to the White House.
So the American people don't have the right to know that the election was hacked by Russia?
So Obama should wait for Trump to decide how to handle that tidbit of information?

How does the information tarnish Trump?
The Kremlin says it was in contact with the Trump campaign, that's the Kremlin talking, not Obama.
The CIA and the FBI don't have Obama vet everything they say, or Comey would have not been allowed to voice spurious charges, with no basis in fact, against Clinton during the campaign.

OK, some people who voted for Trump are going to be disappointed, but they were going to be disappointed anyway, jobs aren't coming back, the deficit is going to balloon, the economy is going to stagnate not to mention the millions who will lose their health insurance.
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I think that Obama should not go about making public accusations w/o any evidence especially when he only has a few weeks left in the White House.

If there is in fact a real investigation what is there to gain by tipping our hand prematurely? Nothing. Now if it is all a smokescreen designed to tarnish trump before he even steps into office. To attempt to bring more heat onto Russia that the neocons and the mic so desperately want then it all makes sence.

The only people that this seems logical to are those who were either hell bent on going to war w/ Russia or honestly believes that Clinton is still the rightful heir to the White House.
OMG

and now the right wing is defending Putin and Russia over the United States and the President.

you can't make this kind of shit up

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2) PUTIN is a murdering, lying thug and anyone who defends him is stupid.
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Putin is a leader of a very large and very powerful country. There are lots of terrible leaders around the world and Putin is certainly not the worst around. We deal with China and Pakistan and Ukraine and Turkey and Cuba for example. There are a variety of issues and problems with each. I am upset about the Russian invasion of Crimea but all things need to be understood in context. Crimea is and was a majority of Russians in the population. The Ukraine is and has been a country in turmoil. A civil war between the different populations in Crimea. Crimea also was not part of Ukraine until very recently.

We have to deal with reality and be pragmatic. Russia and the USA do have some shared interests. Namely to stop Muslim extremists from taking over their respective countries. Being adult about issues is more important than calling people names.
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Putin is a leader of a very large and very powerful country. There are lots of terrible leaders around the world and Putin is certainly not the worst around. We deal with China and Pakistan and Ukraine and Turkey and Cuba for example. There are a variety of issues and problems with each. I am upset about the Russian invasion of Crimea but all things need to be understood in context. Crimea is and was a majority of Russians in the population. The Ukraine is and has been a country in turmoil. A civil war between the different populations in Crimea. Crimea also was not part of Ukraine until very recently.

We have to deal with reality and be pragmatic. Russia and the USA do have some shared interests. Namely to stop Muslim extremists from taking over their respective countries. Being adult about issues is more important than calling people names.
The long-term and recent history of Crimea is complex. In 1954, ownership of Crimea was given to Ukraine. In 1992, the residents of Crimea voted to remain a part of Ukraine. In 1994, Russia agreed to this. In 1997, Russia and Ukraine signed the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership in which Russia acknowledged and agreed to Ukraine's ownership of Crimea.

Of course, in 2006 "With us or against us" GW did, as he always did, screw up things by landing US Marines in Crimea, a part of a NATO exercise.

In 2010, Ukraine ratified a treaty giving Russia the right to maintain its naval base in Sevastopol until 2042. The Russian Duma also approved the treaty.

All's good, right? No military actions of occupations, rather a treaty, the result of negotiations, was in place.

On Feb. 27, 2014 Russian troops occupied Crimea and installed a man, Sergey Aksyonov, who was nicknamed "The Goblin" for his lawless acts of violence and intimidation in Crimea during the turbulent times following the dissolution of the USSR, as "president" of Crimea.

As bad as that is, Putin then began arming "rebels" in Ukraine's east. The goal was to transform Ukraine into a failed state that never would be admitted into the EU. Putin's buddy, Viktor Yanukovich, had campaigned for president in 2010 on leading Ukraine's admission into the EU. In 2013, on the eve of the start of the admission process, he told Ukrainians, oops, I didnt mean that. Instead we're going to join a Russian economic bloc. The Maidan Revolution followed.

Putin was successful in turning Ukraine into a failed state, his objective all along.

Yes we have to deal with Putin, but I swear those on the right were on the front lines maintaining that a strong-arm, de facto dictator like Putin only respected strength, and as I remember, Obama was criticized for not being strong enough with Putin, you know, how Putin was a ten times better leader than the pussy Obama.

Then, Trump got elected and because he's cool with Putin, being cool with Putin is the right thing to do. Talk about sheeple....

Yes, the CIA et al need to provide some stronger evidence of Russian meddling, but who knows what embedded operatives might be outed by revealing such evidence? Regardless, it's most disconcerting that the knee jerk on the right side is to go with Putin over Obama. Don't doubt for a minute that Putin counted on this, and don't for a minute think that Putin is looking for any long-term partnership with the US.
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