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Old June 7th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #11
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Because it is his country and none of my business plus he is against the EU. I just find it amusing that he has suddenly became the boogie man.

There is no doubt that Putin and/or the Russians attempted to sway our election in trumps favor, they would have been foolish not to. All I am saying is that there has never been any evidance provided that there was some sort of sinister plot between him/them and Trump. Furthermore it is very hypocritical for us to cry about it when we have an entire alphabet agency dedicated to doing just that to other nations.
That's just what Putin said in Kelly's interview.

Against the EU? In 17 years Putin has done little to build up Russia, so he's out to make Russia "look good" by destabilizing Europe and the US. He's been successful.

Putin didn't just start being the boogie man. When wasn't he the boogie man? In 2004, he did this.



See, Putin interfered with Ukraine's election, and when even that didn't get his co-thug Yanukovych elected, he poisoned Viktor Yushchenko, the winner.

Putin's attempting to sway our election is the sinister plot. I don't give a damn at this point whether "we do it too." Compared to Russia, we're the good guys.

Whether Trump was in on Putin's efforts to sway the election remains to be seen. Lord knows Trump could easily have been swayed by Putin with pure flattery. No guilty or not guilty conclusion is supported by evidence ... so far. However, of what we've seen at this point, the ol' saying "If it walks like a duck" sure seems to apply. Maybe not, but we'll see.
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Of course it's a witch hunt. It's coming from the same people who insisted prior to the election that any sort of election was impossible, and that to suggest otherwise was an assault on democracy.

Then, Trump won, the amnesia set in, and everything was hacked.

Liars are never consistent, and this Russian hacking story is perhaps the most inconsistent in history. Add in the fact that there's still no evidence for it (absence of evidence is evidence of absence), and I think anyone who's not either mentally handicapped or blinded by political ideology can see we're dealing with an illegitimate witch hunt.
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The only reason the story is "inconsistent" is that the only people with the facts as they are known ARE NOT GIVING THEM OUT THE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

So we simply have a huge guessing game going on.

Just because the people who did the investigations, are doing the investigations, have analyzed all the data, and know the facts aren't spreading their asscheeks on every moronic political-pundit's talk show doesn't mean there IS no story.

It means we have not been given the story.

I realize you're young. Do you have any idea how long it took for the facts of the "story" of Watergate to reach the American public? Do you know how long we waited for the facts of the Iran-Contra "story" to be given to us.

Just because you get instant information online for your college term papers doesn't mean that's the way information is distributed in real life by the U.S. government.
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The only reason the story is "inconsistent" is that the only people with the facts as they are known ARE NOT GIVING THEM OUT THE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

So we simply have a huge guessing game going on.

Just because the people who did the investigations, are doing the investigations, have analyzed all the data, and know the facts aren't spreading their asscheeks on every moronic political-pundit's talk show doesn't mean there IS no story.

It means we have not been given the story.

I realize you're young. Do you have any idea how long it took for the facts of the "story" of Watergate to reach the American public? Do you know how long we waited for the facts of the Iran-Contra "story" to be given to us.

Just because you get instant information online for your college term papers doesn't mean that's the way information is distributed in real life by the U.S. government.


Glad you brought up Watergate because there are great similarities between Watergate and Russian hacking mess. If you look at the Watergate timeline it's like reliving what we are going through now.
The break-in planning began in Sept '72. Although the burglars would be caught in the act, many months would pass before enough details would emerge to create a picture of the events leading up to that night. These men had been hired by representatives of President Nixon's administration to use illegal means to gather information that could prove useful to Nixon winning the 1972 election.

In Feb '73 the White House was linked to the cover-up. Of course Nixon
supporters continued to deny everything---every piece of info that kept leading back to the White House---just like Trump supporters are doing now.
In March the Watergate investigation committee begins.
In April the Wash Post connected the break-in to the coverup. (Even now our Trump friends are calling the Post a rag). The cash payoffs for the burglars came directly from the committee to re-elect Nixon. That same month Nixon met with the press corps and said "we're making real progress in finding the truth...."
He promised to reveal any new information and said he condemned any and all coverups. LOL
Keep in mind that the leaks are coming in fast and furiously and the GOP is calling for prosecution of anyone leaking. Sound familiar??

In August '73, Nixon is still maintaining his innocence. Nixon refused to hand over his tapes, explaining that his conversations were 'privileged'.
Then Spiro Agnew resigns. He pled no contest. Gerald Ford steps into the V.P. position.
November '73: "I AM NOT A CROOK".
February '74: The House voted to authorized the Judiciary Committee to investigate grounds for impeaching president Nixon.
May '74: Impeachment proceedings begin.
July '74: Nixon hands over the smoking gun tapes.
August 8th: Nixon resigns

Almost two years passed before the American people REALLY knew the details of Watergate and some details were released long after August of '74. For two long years, Nixon supporters stood my him--praised him--denied denied denied.
What's happening now, Trump supporters??
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Old June 8th, 2017, 05:24 AM   #15
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Possibly.

We retrying to determine what, if any, Russian interference occurred in our recent election. For sure, Putin had Boris Nemtsov, the "opposition" leader who was gaining traction, murdered on the street near the Kremlin. The case is still open.

Putin is a thug armed with nuclear weapons. He and his good buddies have stolen hundreds of billions from the Russian people.

I have no idea why some on the right think it's politically correct to stand tall for Putin, but they do.
They just love bullies, anywhere and everywhere. Heil Trump!
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Of course it's a witch hunt. It's coming from the same people who insisted prior to the election that any sort of election was impossible, and that to suggest otherwise was an assault on democracy.

Then, Trump won, the amnesia set in, and everything was hacked.

Liars are never consistent, and this Russian hacking story is perhaps the most inconsistent in history. Add in the fact that there's still no evidence for it (absence of evidence is evidence of absence), and I think anyone who's not either mentally handicapped or blinded by political ideology can see we're dealing with an illegitimate witch hunt.
Agreed, liars are never consistent. I mean, look at Trump.
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Could not the same thing be said of the left in regards to blaming and accusing Putin?
possibly. but they would be getting paid by americans to help prevent a foreign power gain influence over american democracy. thats american money well spent.
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Because it is his country and none of my business plus he is against the EU. I just find it amusing that he has suddenly became the boogie man.

There is no doubt that Putin and/or the Russians attempted to sway our election in trumps favor, they would have been foolish not to. All I am saying is that there has never been any evidance provided that there was some sort of sinister plot between him/them and Trump. Furthermore it is very hypocritical for us to cry about it when we have an entire alphabet agency dedicated to doing just that to other nations.
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I have never said any differently.
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Old August 2nd, 2017, 10:09 PM   #20
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I have never said any differently.
No wonder you like Trump. You're just like him.
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