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Old August 27th, 2017, 10:23 PM   #1
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Another case of hacking??

Beautiful day in the Rockies today, I went sailing with my sailing partner.

Now maybe I just don't get around enough, but I'd never heard this.

We were talking about navigating new waters, and the GPS equipment that can take out a lot of the mystery.n Subscription services wth constant updating are available and reasonably priced. We discussed the usefulness of sonar and radar.

Then I asked him, what did he, as a mariner, think of the most recent US warship collision? I recounted hearing some important official explaining that the collision happened in the pre-dawn, and in very busy shipping lanes, so basically, whaddya expect?

I said that's total bullshit. Radar doesn't depend on the time of day for it to work. How the hell could a US warship, presumably with some very high technology on board, have an encounter with a giant, slow-moving merchant vessel?

My mate reminds me that's the fourth incident this year. Hell yeah. He says the word is out that the US warships had been hacked, and reminded me that most of the chips running everything are made in China.

The encounter occurred because it was in the dark pre-dawn skies and because the ship traffic in the area is very, very high, said an important person. Jesus.
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Old August 28th, 2017, 04:19 AM   #2
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I am not buying that excuse. You cannot hack the human eye. There is no excuse for this level of incompetence in the Navy.
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I am not buying that excuse. You cannot hack the human eye. There is no excuse for this level of incompetence in the Navy.


Mr. Clara and I were also discussing the collision. How in the world do these absolutely enormous ships run in to each other?? Surely they have a back-up system--someone on watch? At the helm?
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Mr. Clara and I were also discussing the collision. How in the world do these absolutely enormous ships run in to each other?? Surely they have a back-up system--someone on watch? At the helm?
Some would like to convince the country that billions need to be spent to train Navy grunts to sound general quarters when they see a humongous steel container ship on a collision course with a Navy vessel. The only explanation is gross incompetence and nothing more IMO.
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Some would like to convince the country that billions need to be spent to train Navy grunts to sound general quarters when they see a humongous steel container ship on a collision course with a Navy vessel. The only explanation is gross incompetence and nothing more IMO.
No modern ship relies on lookouts only, or even primarily. Presumably, several types of radar are constantly monitoring the area around a warship for other ships and for incoming.

Moreover, my bet is most of these systems will generate a warning automatically.

If this isn't so, then all foreign navies need to do to successfully attack a US warship is set a collision course for a cargo vessel in the predawn, in busy shipping lanes. Put some explosives on board. Bingo, down she'll go.

For your explanation to be true, not only would the visual lookouts have to fail, the radar operators would have to misread their screens, and to cap it off no automatic warning systems could be in place, or if they're in place, they would have had to fail.

Gross negligence? Four times this year? I don't think so.
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The Navy did punt some big-boys for this. But is that for incompetence or because they needed a scapegoat?
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Old August 28th, 2017, 08:15 AM   #7
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Even if you buy IT's theory, it is still human incompetence. After the first couple of collisions, the Navy should have defaulted back to good old human interdiction until the problem was figured out. To allow more Navy ships to play ping pong with freighters is unconscionable. I just read this morning that the 10 missing Navy personnel were found dead in a crushed compartment. You cannot have a situation where the personnel are affraid to go to sleep at night for fear of being crushed like bugs. This is intolerable.
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Even if you buy IT's theory, it is still human incompetence. After the first couple of collisions, the Navy should have defaulted back to good old human interdiction until the problem was figured out. To allow more Navy ships to play ping pong with freighters is unconscionable. I just read this morning that the 10 missing Navy personnel were found dead in a crushed compartment. You cannot have a situation where the personnel are affraid to go to sleep at night for fear of being crushed like bugs. This is intolerable.
First off, it's not "IT's theory." I put up this thread for discussion.


Human interdiction? Please explain your use of "interdiction" further.

IF some sort of hacking or jamming of US warship systems happened we'd certainly NOT be hearing about that in the news.

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Collision of USS John S. McCain is met with 'applause' in China, according to state media

The collision at sea that left 10 U.S. Navy sailors missing on Monday was met with "applause from Chinese netizens," according to an unsigned editorial that ran in Beijing state media.

The USS John S. McCain collided with a tanker on Monday in heavily trafficked waters near Singapore. The hyper-nationalist Global Times claimed the Chinese reaction "reflects the sentiment of Chinese society toward the activities of the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea."

The South China Sea is a vast body of water that contains some of the world's busiest shipping lanes. Beijing claims most of the sea as its own, even portions that extend about 1,000 miles from Chinese shores. The United States and several Asian countries dispute those claims.

Monday's accident east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca came after another Navy ship, the USS Fitzgerald, was in a collision off the coast of Japan in June. That warship hit a container vessel.

U.S. Navy ships have been involved in four accidents in Asian waters this year, including three collisions and one ship that ran aground.

..."The two severe collisions within two months show that the U.S. Navy's combat readiness level and military management level have both declined," said the Global Times.

...The Global Times said the U.S. Pacific Command is not working to avoid collisions in the South China Sea. "Its activities only aim at putting China in check," the editorial said.

"U.S. warships are constantly involved in accidents around the South China Sea. On the one hand, the U.S. Navy has behaved arrogantly in the Asia-Pacific region. It lacks respect for huge merchant ships and fails to take evasive action in time, thus resulting in serious accidents," it added.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/21/uss-...ate-media.html
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First off, it's not "IT's theory." I put up this thread for discussion.


Human interdiction? Please explain your use of "interdiction" further.

IF some sort of hacking or jamming of US warship systems happened we'd certainly NOT be hearing about that in the news.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/21/uss-...ate-media.html
Interdiction = eyeballs IT. Even if this hacking theory has legs, after the first couple of collisions took place, countermeasures should have been put in place. These large freighters have lights on them. Eyeballs can see lights. Little shocked you brush back common sense.
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Urban legend but none the less funny. Might explain a lot !!!
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This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95.

Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.

Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States' Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.
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