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Old July 11th, 2018, 08:15 AM   #21
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Do you believe a Golden Age existed when all news reporting could be believed?
No, as proven later by revelations of the way media reported or not reported news as they saw fit.
The Golden age was a period, actually an era, when they had most of the people fooled with smooth talking patrician talking heads called anchors. They were even labeled "The most trusted people in America" etc. The last of that class, Dan Rather, self immolated in an attempt to influence the election of W.
Had an opportunity to hear Tom Brokaw speak a couple of years ago and he hasn't changed a bit. He as much as admitted he got out of the business over credibility issues.
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Do you believe a Golden Age existed when all news reporting could be believed?
No. But there was an age when they were not biased. This bias started long before Trump. Its not the validity of their reporting. Its what they choose to report and the manner they report it. The main stream media is definitely no longer reporting news, but is attempting to sway public opinion toward a favored political narrative. I guess the last time something like this occurred involved the phrase "Remember the Maine".
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No, as proven later by revelations of the way media reported or not reported news as they saw fit.
The Golden age was a period, actually an era, when they had most of the people fooled with smooth talking patrician talking heads called anchors. They were even labeled "The most trusted people in America" etc. The last of that class, Dan Rather, self immolated in an attempt to influence the election of W.
Had an opportunity to see Tom Brokaw a couple of years go and he hasn't changed a bit. He as much as admitted he got out of the business over credibility issues.
The simple fact of the matter is news coverage is biased because people have biases and being objective poses an insurmountable challenge for human beings.

However, biased people can report factually and have done so.

This fake news/biased reporting/legacy media mantra is but another attack on the US' credibility and on citizens' faith and trust in US institutions.

Never has there been a time when discerning the truth from what's being reported wasn't necessary. That includes right now. That includes the utterances of DJ Trump.

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Old July 11th, 2018, 08:49 AM   #24
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The simple fact of the matter is news coverage is biased because people have biases and being objective poses an insurmountable challenge for human beings.

However, biased people can report factually and have done so.

This fake news/biased reporting/legacy media mantra is but another attack on the US' credibility and on citizens' faith and trust in US institutions.

Never has there been a time when discerning the truth from what's being reported wasn't necessary. That includes right now. That includes the utterances of DJ Trump.

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The simple fact of the matter is news coverage is biased because people have biases and being objective poses an insurmountable challenge for human beings.

However, biased people can report factually and have done so.

This fake news/biased reporting/legacy media mantra is but another attack on the US' credibility and on citizens' faith and trust in US institutions.

Never has there been a time when discerning the truth from what's being reported wasn't necessary. That includes right now. That includes the utterances of DJ Trump.

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However, biased people can report factually and have done so.

Then why can't this be extended to Judges? As I recall it was but now is not.

Never has there been a time when discerning the truth from what's being reported wasn't necessary. That includes right now. That includes the utterances of DJ Trump.

Trump isn't reporting in the official capacity of a reporter. The standard on Trump is the same as that applied to any other citizen including you and any other person offering their opinion. Being a reporter is like being under oath. Some people won't believe anything he says and some will believe anything he says. So discern away moderator.
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No. But there was an age when they were not biased. This bias started long before Trump. Its not the validity of their reporting. Its what they choose to report and the manner they report it. The main stream media is definitely no longer reporting news, but is attempting to sway public opinion toward a favored political narrative. I guess the last time something like this occurred involved the phrase "Remember the Maine".
"But there was an age when they were not biased."

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However, biased people can report factually and have done so.

Then why can't this be extended to Judges? As I recall it was but now is not.

Never has there been a time when discerning the truth from what's being reported wasn't necessary. That includes right now. That includes the utterances of DJ Trump.

Trump isn't reporting in the official capacity of a reporter. The standard on Trump is the same as that applied to any other citizen including you and any other person offering their opinion. Being a reporter is like being under oath. Some people won't believe anything he says and some will believe anything he says. So discern away moderator.
No need to get pissy dude.

I spent years being a reporter and an editor. Our paper strove for objectivity. We knew when we really achieved it when reporting a politically contentious subject. Both sides accused us of bias.

In the real world my opinion does not carry the weight of the POTUS' opinion.

Trump started the meme "fake news" before his Kellyanne introduced the concept of alternative facts. He's got to own this. He presents himself as unbiased, which of course he isn't.

Nonetheless, he's convinced around a third of the nation that his word can be trusted, even when he contradicts himself within a 24-hour span, even when his "opinion" is objectively wrong.
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Old July 11th, 2018, 09:32 AM   #28
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The bias today isn’t in the media, it’s in the listeners. Today the people listening to the news are far more likely to claim “media bias” when they don’t like what is being reported even if what is being reported is 100% true.
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The bias today isnít in the media, itís in the listeners. Today the people listening to the news are far more likely to claim ďmedia biasĒ when they donít like what is being reported even if what is being reported is 100% true.
I'm pretty sure you meant to say, "The bias today isnít only in the media...."
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No need to get pissy dude.

I spent years being a reporter and an editor. Our paper strove for objectivity. We knew when we really achieved it when reporting a politically contentious subject. Both sides accused us of bias.

In the real world my opinion does not carry the weight of the POTUS' opinion.

Trump started the meme "fake news" before his Kellyanne introduced the concept of alternative facts. He's got to own this. He presents himself as unbiased, which of course he isn't.

Nonetheless, he's convinced around a third of the nation that his word can be trusted, even when he contradicts himself within a 24-hour span, even when his "opinion" is objectively wrong.
In the real world my opinion does not carry the weight of the POTUS' opinion.
The people handed him the bully pulpit. The accusation of abuses of power and yada yada yada yada ad infinitum for using it are remarkable and an insult to those of us who gave it to him.

Trump started the meme "fake news" before his Kellyanne introduced the concept of alternative facts. He's got to own this. He presents himself as unbiased, which of course he isn't.

That term, "fake news" shortened from fake news story, has been in general usage on the internet as a synonym for yellow journalism for over 25 years that I know of. It was used in the Clinton era when we wanted to shorten "wag the dog" to two words. "That's a fake news story" was in use as well. Trump just adopted it as a way to describe the utterances of the press as they exhibited their inherent bias.
As for "alternative facts" she did appear to use that specifically first. Back in the 80s and 90s the use of corporate newspeak (Orwell 1984) was called alternative as well. Saying newspeak was verboten for obvious reasons.

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