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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:02 AM   #1
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I read that the age of consent to sex is 16 in many places in the US, but that the child porn age go to 18.

Can it really be right that you can have sex with a 16 year old, but not take a picture of them? And that you can be charged with a crime for having a picture of a 16 year old, but not for having sex with one?

Can someone help explain to me how this makes sense and why this distinction?

I mean isn't the reason child porn pictures are illegal in the first place because it promotes sex act with children?

If it is to prevent more child porn pictures from being made, that makes even less sense, for should cigarettes or abortion then not be illegal to prevent more made?

If it is to prevent sales of child porn pictures that also makes no sense, for if a child porn picture promote it being sold, then sex with a 16 year old should promote prostitution of a 16 year old and how can that be better?

There seems to be something completely wrong about these laws, a hypocricy which to me seem to suggest either complete stupidity or immorality or a secret conscious agenda to manipulate a certain sexual behavior socially by those in power.

What do you guys think? Can anyone provide a insight I may have overlooked, help make sense of this or let me know if I am the only one who think that something seems very wrong and odd about this.

There seems to be a lot of double morale when it comes to violence, drug and sex laws and I hope to find out why to unmask the agenda behind this confusion and if there is a connection with this and the financial and political lies we are being fed.



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Old October 16th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #2
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i think one of the reasons child porn is illegal is because the act of producing it is an act of child abuse. the act of reproducing and transmitting it is encouraging a market for more people to produce it and therefore abuse more children.



whether it promotes actual sex with children is another question. i dont know the answer, i dont know if it does encourage abusers to abuse, or if fear of this is one reason it is illegal. what it does do is normalise sex between adults and children, which is not a healthy thing for society.



the age of consent thing is a very good question. we argued here some months back about the benefits of having uniform standards across america for some things. one point of view is leave everything to the states, the other point of view was that some nation wide standards make things smoother. this is an example where a nationwide standard would work better for everyone.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 12:23 PM   #3
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-time="1350448572" data-cid="433350" data-author="hot dragon">

i think one of the reasons child porn is illegal is because the act of producing it is an act of child abuse. the act of reproducing and transmitting it is encouraging a market for more people to produce it and therefore abuse more children.

whether it promotes actual sex with children is another question. i dont know the answer, i dont know if it does encourage abusers to abuse, or if fear of this is one reason it is illegal. what it does do is normalise sex between adults and children, which is not a healthy thing for society.

the age of consent thing is a very good question. we argued here some months back about the benefits of having uniform standards across america for some things. one point of view is leave everything to the states, the other point of view was that some nation wide standards make things smoother. this is an example where a nationwide standard would work better for everyone.</blockquote>
I feel that child pornography and pornography in general is bad for society, the first is just plain abnormal and sick,( if the child is too young or unable to understand and give consent), and the second is just plain bad for society. In biblical times if a woman was old enough to bleed she was old enough to breed; coercing another human being to preform an unwanted act is wrong in either case.
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"age of consent" laws in the US vary widely among states and the differences can get very complicated.

they are made more complicated by the fact that schools have stopped teaching them.
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So is the OP suggesting lowering the age for this to 16?

After homosexual 'marriage' what remains? They'll be coming after the children.
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Old June 19th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #6
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I believe that in most cases (if not all cases) an age of consent under 18 is not absolute. They are part of "Romeo & Juliet" laws where sex with a minor is not illegal if the older party is within 2 or 3 years of age. It isn't that the age of consent is 16 it's so the 18 year old boyfriend caught in the back seat of his car with his 16 year old girlfriend won't get prosecuted as a child rapist.

As far as porn is concerned there is not only the consent to have sex but also the consent to be filmed. While a 16 year old can consent to sex with her 18 year old boyfriend she CANNOT consent to be filmed for commercial purposes until 18.
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Old June 19th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #7
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age of consent is rarely as simple as a number, for instance in michigan , last I knew a 16 year old female could consent to an 18 year old male, but if he was 19 , then he is a sex offender.

there are two US states with a female age of consent of 14.
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i think one of the reasons child porn is illegal is because the act of producing it is an act of child abuse. the act of reproducing and transmitting it is encouraging a market for more people to produce it and therefore abuse more children.



whether it promotes actual sex with children is another question. i dont know the answer, i dont know if it does encourage abusers to abuse, or if fear of this is one reason it is illegal. what it does do is normalise sex between adults and children, which is not a healthy thing for society.



the age of consent thing is a very good question. we argued here some months back about the benefits of having uniform standards across america for some things. one point of view is leave everything to the states, the other point of view was that some nation wide standards make things smoother. this is an example where a nationwide standard would work better for everyone.
I think there may be a point to what you say about the act of producing child porn being illegal, but let go a bit further. Why is it illegal? Is it immoral for children to be seen or even filmed naked? Grown ups do it, and kids in many underdeveloped countries gets filmed naked, and it is not uncommon to see children naked on the beach or in the yard in western countries either.

So I think there is a far more sinister power behind this.
For why make a law against seeing a child naked, take pictures of a 17 year old naked, when so many has sex with eachother at age 14?

I will tell you why I think it is. I think it is a deliberate ploy by the government and porn businesses to uses sex as a tool to deceive and control the masses. Pacifying them by lust, mystifying it by making it taboo, and then selling it for huge amount of money making the porn industry the biggest and wealthies internet business.

As you say "whether it promotes actual sex with children is another question."
There is no proof that seeing underage children naked promotes sex with them. In many religions they teach too that if you watch too much porn you are likely to rape or become gay, this is complete bs. There is absolutely no evidence of such claims, in fact if you investigate the truth about sex you often find that quite the opposite is the case, and that people who watch porn in fact just keep watching the porn and become pacified by it.

I do not agree that naked pictures of children normalise sex, if a picture alone can do all that then nudist camps, porn, public nudity etc must promote infidelity, addiction, rape & sexual perverions.
If nudity is equal to sex then seeing someone naked or being seen naked should cause desire for sex, and for all that to be wrong we have to conclude that sex is bad.

There is no link between seing a child naked and wanting sex with them. If you go to a public swimming pool and have to go through the public showers, does that cause you to want sex with all the naked men you see in the shower?

No ofcause not. For you are not gay and have no sexual attaction to men. So if there is no sexual attraction to children, then there is no way pictures of naked children can promote sex with them.

So the real question here is WHY do some people want sex with young children? And what does that have to do with the pictures. In fact isn't it possible that men with fantasies of young girls might not have a desire to have sex with them at all if they could settle their curiosity and see them naked or maybe even jack of to pictures of them if necessary?

There real problem here can not be the sex or the nudity in itself for that would make sex and nudity in itself wrong. The real problem here is FORCE and tendency to violently FORCE people against their will to do something they don't want to. But that has NOTHING to do with child porn.

In fact if a girl age 14 WANTS sex with a guy age 18 he will see here naked and have sex with her, so why would there be a problem with the same guy having naked pictures of her? Why should that be illegal if she consents to him having the picture?
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"age of consent" laws in the US vary widely among states and the differences can get very complicated.

they are made more complicated by the fact that schools have stopped teaching them.
They are complicated for only one obvious reason. They are based on deliberate lies
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I believe that in most cases (if not all cases) an age of consent under 18 is not absolute. They are part of "Romeo & Juliet" laws where sex with a minor is not illegal if the older party is within 2 or 3 years of age. It isn't that the age of consent is 16 it's so the 18 year old boyfriend caught in the back seat of his car with his 16 year old girlfriend won't get prosecuted as a child rapist.

As far as porn is concerned there is not only the consent to have sex but also the consent to be filmed. While a 16 year old can consent to sex with her 18 year old boyfriend she CANNOT consent to be filmed for commercial purposes until 18.
True, but why not? And what if the filming is NOT for commercial purposes?

Why should a 14 or 16 year old be able to have sex with an 18 year old and have the right to choose an abortion if pregnancy results, and not have the right to have her body filmed by the same 18 year old?

It makes no sense at all.

If you have the right of your body to have sex, show yourself naked, and have an abortion. Should you not also have the right to have pictures taken of you naked, be filmed or even sell the pictures for commercial purposes if you want to?

If you are adult enough to have the power over life and your body, are you not adult enough to have the power over pictures and money?

I think so. I think these laws are complete hypocricy.

And either we should lower the age of child porn pictures and perhaps even age to marry or make it illegal for kids to work, have sex or abortions until the age they are old enough to be filmed.....but good luck trying to carry it out.

In fact to force a woman not to show herself naked, is as much or more force as it is to film the same girl naked and sell the pictures for money, and even more force than it is to view these pictures.

There is obvious lies when it comes to sex and the laws about porn, minors and nudity.

But most dont even dare to take on the topic out of fear of exposing their own fears and sexuality, be labelled a pervert or made a criminal for going against laws which are immoral and contradictory in the first place.

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