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Old January 6th, 2015, 08:22 AM   #1
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so is this a hate crime?

is killing somebody just because they're a police officer a hate crime?

myself, I think "hate crimes" laws are unconstitutional and stupid, but for you libs that subscribe to this sort of thing, what say you?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 08:52 AM   #2
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is killing somebody just because they're a police officer a hate crime?

myself, I think "hate crimes" laws are unconstitutional and stupid, but for you libs that subscribe to this sort of thing, what say you?
I also have an issue with the constitutionality of hate crime laws. But if we're going to have them, they must be applied equally. So YES killing a police officer, just because they are a police officer, is no less a hate crime than killing someone for being black, gay or even dare I say it, WHITE.

If race, gender identification, or even occupation are the SOLE factor in the decision to assault someone then by definition those are hate crimes.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 08:57 AM   #3
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What difference does it make if it is or not when the perp kills himself?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 09:39 AM   #4
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I don't know, profession seems like a choice where as race and what not aren't chosen.

I guess in a sense choice of profession by default implies a choice of action related to that profession. Like if I volunteered for the military and the military commited some sort of terrible war crime or something, and I had ideas about this kind of thing happening prior, do I not share a small part of the responsibility? If I know a friend is hiding a murder from the law and I, say, helped with the rent knowing that it was going to also help house a fugitive, did I not play a small roll in the problem, even if I myself wouldn't hide a fugitive?

It's like a "you're responsible for the company you keep" kind of thing.

Not that I approve of killing anyone for any reason, be them cop or thug. Believe me, I'm not trying to lessen the implications of killing a cop, even if they are fucking pigs. (Though the people they shoot are also little shitstains too, so I guess in retrospect it's bad meets evil in a way). But I don't know that they fall into the same category in this context since one is a concious choice and the other isn't.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 10:43 AM   #5
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What difference does it make if it is or not when the perp kills himself?
In the case of any murder, effectively none. Right or wrong, and I am leaning towards wrong, the rationale behind hate crime laws is to take something like assault and make the punishment more severe if it is ruled to be a hate crime. Otherwise, the punishment might be quite lenient. The idea is that it will further reduce outward displays of bigotry. The problem is that you can't change people's thinking and criminal scientists have a good argument that punishments are not a deterrent to other than those being punished.
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Right because if the perp is dead, sentencing has no relevance.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 11:46 AM   #7
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What difference does it make if it is or not when the perp kills himself?
God'll git 'im....???
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Old January 6th, 2015, 12:00 PM   #8
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I don't know, profession seems like a choice where as race and what not aren't chosen.

I guess in a sense choice of profession by default implies a choice of action related to that profession. Like if I volunteered for the military and the military commited some sort of terrible war crime or something, and I had ideas about this kind of thing happening prior, do I not share a small part of the responsibility? If I know a friend is hiding a murder from the law and I, say, helped with the rent knowing that it was going to also help house a fugitive, did I not play a small roll in the problem, even if I myself wouldn't hide a fugitive?

It's like a "you're responsible for the company you keep" kind of thing.

Not that I approve of killing anyone for any reason, be them cop or thug. Believe me, I'm not trying to lessen the implications of killing a cop, even if they are fucking pigs. (Though the people they shoot are also little shitstains too, so I guess in retrospect it's bad meets evil in a way). But I don't know that they fall into the same category in this context since one is a concious choice and the other isn't.
The question would be did those murdered cops have some prior knowledge ?? If so how did their killer ascertain that they had this knowledge ??

Basically you're blaming the victims here. Saying that because they were cops, that "had" to have known something, therefore their murders can't be held as hate crimes.

We'll keep that in mind the next time a woman gets raped. After all, she was asking for it right ?? Did you see how she was dressed ?? How much did she have to drink ?? Why was she there at that hour of the night ??
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I don't think it's the same thing - one makes the choice of a profession - one does not make the choice of their race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.
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I don't think it's the same thing - one makes the choice of a profession - one does not make the choice of their race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.
Uhhhhh...no choice of gender??? I don't think so...
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