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Old March 4th, 2005, 01:17 PM   #1
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Death penalty for minors

Well the supreme court decided to not allow sentencing a minor to the death penalty because its unconstitutional.



What is all of your inputs on this??
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Old March 5th, 2005, 10:53 AM   #2
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What were the grounds for the unconstitutionality ruling?
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Old March 5th, 2005, 05:39 PM   #3
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The executions, the court said, violate the Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment.



Those teens who murdered was very cruel and unusual punishment.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 01:51 PM   #4
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what are the circumstances that a minor would be tried as an adult? I think the death penalty should be on the table at that point.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 03:46 PM   #5
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Jay Severin brought up perfect examples to why capital punishment should be used even for teens who have commited awful crimes of murder.



What if we caught that kid alive who killed all those students a couple of weeks ago? He had a smile on his face when he was killing his own classmates. I'd rather have such a satanist be put to death than have my tax dollars pay for his meals and playtime.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 04:53 PM   #6
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Why do you even bother to listen to Jay Severin. All of his predictions are mostly wrong...



-Jay predicted that Terri's feeding tube would be reinserted last week.

-He also predicted Air America would last 3 months.

-He also predicted John Kerry would beat George W. Bush in the election.

-He also predicted that John Kerry would lose the primary election and should just quit.

-He also predicted that Hillary Clinton would run in the Democrat primary after she sabotaged John Kerry's campaign.

-Jay's accurate record is based mostly on the fact that he's been in the business for over 20 years.

-Jay calls his followers "Boston's Best and Brightest." They seem to like that.
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Old April 1st, 2005, 04:05 PM   #7
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It is his opinion on how things may turn out. Lots and lots and lots of people listen to Jay Severin. Among all the talk radio shows, I find Jay Severin the best because he has too much common sense. He is a great American.
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Old April 2nd, 2005, 08:14 AM   #8
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I still feel that he has been wrong on many things last year and guess what...he's most likely going to be wrong again. That is my drift.
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Old April 3rd, 2005, 06:11 PM   #9
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You could also be wrong
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Old April 5th, 2005, 01:01 PM   #10
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I'll make a new topic so this doesn't go too much, off topic.
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Old April 27th, 2005, 10:55 AM   #11
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Well..I'm gonna get this back on topic for a second. What do you think about people involved in organized crime, perhaps using minors (especially those close to eighteen) to do their dirty work for them, knowing they could get off without death, or perhaps not spend long in jail at all. I still feel that by this age they fully know what they are doing and should be held accountable for their actions...Just like everyone else should. Sometimes its the lack of justice which corrupts a system of liberty.
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Old May 6th, 2005, 01:43 AM   #12
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This was the wrong case for the Court to hand down this opinion. THe minor involved actually boasted to his friends that he wouldn't receive the death penalty because he was a minor.



The court declared that it this violated the cruel and unusual punishment of the 8th Amendment because of the changing standards of decency. 32 states still allow the use of the death penalty, of those 11 have passed legislation that would prohibit the execution of minors. Those 11 coupled with the 18 that have no death penalty at all totalled 29 in the Courts eyes a clear majority. However, the court was wrong in combining the 18 without the death penalty with the 11 who forbid the death penalty for minors. 21 states allow the death penalty and would have considered it for minors, compared to the 11 who don't.



As far as the changing standards of decency, is that judged by the will of the people. If the people of Missouri wished to forbid the death penalty for minors, they have the power to do so, however, in this case they did not. Once again we see what happens when the judiciary oversteps it boundaries. Remember it was judicial activism that declared a slave property in Dred Scott and it was judicial activism that established the principle of separate but equal in Plessy v Ferguson.





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Old June 5th, 2005, 02:41 PM   #13
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I say if you're going make a law that distinguishes between adults and minors, in several respects, it should carry through in all aspects. If someone who is under 18 is legally considered a child, then state laws that allow the execution of minors are laws that allow for the execution of children. It doesn't make sense to me.
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 05:52 PM   #14
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I say if you're going make a law that distinguishes between adults and minors, in several respects, it should carry through in all aspects. If someone who is under 18 is legally considered a child, then state laws that allow the execution of minors are laws that allow for the execution of children. It doesn't make sense to me.


If they are under 18 they can marry. Have babies, serve in the miltary, and they can vote! but if they are a 'child' why should they not be responsible for their actions? Stand up and answer for what they do?
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 07:26 PM   #15
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No death penalty for children. Period.
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Old August 24th, 2005, 12:19 PM   #16
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Thanks hev.
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yeah dude . No matter how crazy a teen is, he has to be massively disturbed in order to kill a bunch of people. That is the failing of society. Fine you kill off the kid, but does that in any way prevent other kids from going off the deep end?



Like i argued in another thread, the death penalty does not prevent murders and rapes. However i think more is to learnt from studying and treatment of this crazy kid than there is by killing him. Worst case scenario is that we might just find out what the heck moved a CHILD to homicide. That is invaluable information that might give a clue to what is wrong in society.
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Old April 26th, 2006, 06:49 AM   #18
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I support the death penalty in adults, but i think that if a kid kills he is severely disturbed and should be treated instead of killed. In another reason what if he killed a kid, that kids life is not as important as the one who murdered him.
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Well the supreme court decided to not allow sentencing a minor to the death penalty because its unconstitutional.



What is all of your inputs on this??
To say it's unconstitutional is BS.



It's more accurate to say - from a moral and psychological position - that we should not execute minors.



First; they likely don't fully understand the ramifications of their actions.

Second; there is a greater degree of likelihood that a minor could be helped and/or reformed.



But to say it's unconstitutional? BS
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Old May 3rd, 2006, 04:07 AM   #20
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Ultimately one must ask does the punishment fit the crime??? While it is noble to believe that we should not execute minors, one must look at the crime. In the case that went before the Supreme Court the individual in question was 17, and bragged to his friends that he would not get the death penalty because he was a minor. He bragged about it. Capital Murder is charged when a murder is committed in conjunction with another crime, i.e. kidnapping or robbery, or when the murder was premeditated and planned. In this case, not only was the murder committed in conjunction with another crime, burglary, the individual had the forementioned thought to know that he could not be sentenced to death because he was a minor. In other words, he knew that even if he did kill someone, he could not face the most severe of all punishments because of his age. Can we all say premediation.



But please do not allow the facts get in the way of emotions. If your 17, and you kill don't worry you have a free hand, you will face the death penalty, so why even fear doing it???? The actions of the so-called child in this case showed no real concern for the value of human life, so why should we show concern for the value of his??



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