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Old August 16th, 2009, 10:01 AM   #1
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Senator says public insurance option not viable

A key Senate negotiator said Sunday that President Obama should drop his push for a government-funded public health insurance option because the Senate will never pass it.





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Old August 16th, 2009, 12:15 PM   #2
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I hope this is true. If the President wants to get into the general public insurance business, he ought to set up a company totally funded by premiums. If "our system is broken" because of misbehavior by the current insurance system and waste, the premiums for this new company should be MUCH lower and it should grow like gangbusters. But if it turns out the there are other factors in play, the premiums should be about the same as any other insurance company.

True "reform" should come in the form of tort regulation, standardizing billing, verification of citizenship for service or you get rudimentary treatment and a trip to the border, and regulation of true costs of service where a hospital won't have to charge $10 for a gauze because some other people can't pay.

That way, everyone gets paid for services rendered, and there can be no bitching about insurance costs being unfair. The government option should be the true base cost of the coverage. And that premium would be based on the true risk of catastrophic loss. Just like "insurance" is supposed to be.
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The problem with the public option is that even though a significant majority of Americans want it, I even saw one poll that suggested a slim majority of would favor a single-payer system, odds are good it would not get enough votes in the Senate or House. There are too many conservative Democrats and not enough liberals with the balls to call for reconciliation. The Republicans are not only a hive mind of "no" votes as they usually are, they are out there trying and somewhat succeeding fooling Americans into making them believe that this bill would take over all of health care, take away their insurance, and kill grandma.



Then there's President Obama who can't seem to get off of his "Let's be Bi-partisan" kick. It's great that he has been actively trying to work with the other side, we see that manifested in the dozens to hundreds of GOP amendments in the various bills that have been passed, but it's got to end somewhere. I think the President has done a great job so far, given the situation he inherited. He could be doing a better job IMO if he rallied the Democrats and gave them a clear and concise agenda on health care instead of leaving the job to Pelosi and Reid. When the falsehoods about forced euthanasia and other scare tactics begin to emerge, the President should be on alert, ready to address and dispel the rumors and not let them fester and spread like a disease. He should denounce those politicians and pundits who spread these lies by name. My vote for him in 2012 would be sealed if he got on the podium on day and shouted "Rush Limbaugh is full of shit!" and explained why lol.



And yes he did inherit the economic mess, the two wars, and the shitty foreign relations we had under Bush. This crap didn't just appear on 12:01, January 20, 2009. We weren't exactly swimming in peace and prosperity the day before either.



Though I'll tell you one thing Bush didn't give him, a Congress full of weak Democrats lol.
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There really isn't a point to this without a public option included. I highly doubt that it will go through without it. And I know the president still wants it and hasn't agreed to let it go by the wayside.



A public option isn't changing the system into a single payer system. There would be no private insurance involved any longer if they changed to single payer. They aren't even arguing for a single payer system.
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There really isn't a point to this without a public option included. I highly doubt that it will go through without it. And I know the president still wants it and hasn't agreed to let it go by the wayside.



A public option isn't changing the system into a single payer system. There would be no private insurance involved any longer if they changed to single payer. They aren't even arguing for a single payer system.


But even if it is just a "public option"...is it right for the US government to set up a program that competes with private enterprises?



How can a privately run business compete with the government run one? The government has unlmited funding, it doesn't have to worry about "making a profit", the government program has the force of law behind it if needed.



The people pushing for this government run health insurance option may have the best intentions in mind, but have they really thought about the long term consequences?



The road to hell is paved with good intentions.



I'm not one of the GOP fanatics screaming about death panels or government rationing of health care. I don't think there is evil intent on the part of Obama and the Democrats.



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But even if it is just a "public option"...is it right for the US government to set up a program that competes with private enterprises?



How can a privately run business compete with the government run one? The government has unlmited funding, it doesn't have to worry about "making a profit", the government program has the force of law behind it if needed.



The people pushing for this government run health insurance option may have the best intentions in mind, but have they really thought about the long term consequences?



The road to hell is paved with good intentions.



I'm not one of the GOP fanatics screaming about death panels or government rationing of health care. I don't think there is evil intent on the part of Obama and the Democrats.



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I totally agree. That's why I say they need to set up a corporation like a private entity and see how much it c=costs to run it in a manner that the government feels is fair. And we'll see what the premiums are. If the company is competitive, the rest will take care of itself.
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There really isn't a point to this without a public option included. I highly doubt that it will go through without it. And I know the president still wants it and hasn't agreed to let it go by the wayside.



A public option isn't changing the system into a single payer system. There would be no private insurance involved any longer if they changed to single payer. They aren't even arguing for a single payer system.


He wants it, and more importantly the American people want the public option. The problem Obama mainly has is that Congress just doesn't have the votes. We just don't have enough strong Democrats, that's been the problem since the get-go. If the public option were dropped, the odds of breaking past 60 votes shoot straight up. The alarmist, paranoid rhetoric anout Obama killing grandma and taking over all of health care doesn't help either.



I think we will have a health care bill passed and signed into law, but it odds are unfortunately good that we won't get a public option this time. Perhaps a co-op might be possible.
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We are the only industrialized nation on earth without universal health coverage.



I will be honest with you. I don't know what the right plan is, but I know what we have is not working.
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He wants it, and more importantly the American people want the public option. The problem Obama mainly has is that Congress just doesn't have the votes. We just don't have enough strong Democrats, that's been the problem since the get-go. If the public option were dropped, the odds of breaking past 60 votes shoot straight up. The alarmist, paranoid rhetoric anout Obama killing grandma and taking over all of health care doesn't help either.



I think we will have a health care bill passed and signed into law, but it odds are unfortunately good that we won't get a public option this time. Perhaps a co-op might be possible.
I don't think the American public wants a public option. Where are you getting that from? I think they want "change" though. Just not sure what kind of "change" they want.
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