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Old March 5th, 2010, 05:11 AM   #1
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Tea Party changes tone, but not outcome of Texas primary

Tea Party activists in Texas helped affect the tone of the debate, but that didn't translate into big victories at the polls.





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Old March 5th, 2010, 05:42 AM   #2
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Despite a handful of Tea Party challengers, all 11 of the incumbent House Republicans facing challengers came out on top.


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Old March 5th, 2010, 07:01 AM   #3
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the democrats aren't out of the woods. they ram the healthcare bill through and they might just get chastized in November.
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No one is ramming anything. It passed boththe House and the Senate with a super majority and has been in the works for over a year. And closely resembles the health care bill that the republicans offered themselves in 1993 in a counter to the Clinton's plan. This is all just political bullshit that has to do with the balance of power in the government.
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The bills that passed the houses did so in with several bribes and gifts. That's not saying much.



We will regret this move if it enacted. There's not any significant "savings" built into this bill.
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I heard a couple of days ago that the democrats are going to create the "coffee party". What's next: Milk and sugar party?
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Old March 5th, 2010, 10:15 AM   #7
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The bills that passed the houses did so in with several bribes and gifts. That's not saying much.



We will regret this move if it enacted. There's not any significant "savings" built into this bill.




Yes, there are savings in this bill. It reduces the deficit. And you're being extremely naive if you think that most big bills aren't passed with bribes and gifts. Were you born yesterday?
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Yes, there are savings in this bill. It reduces the deficit. And you're being extremely naive if you think that most big bills aren't passed with bribes and gifts. Were you born yesterday?
That was one of the tricks. The senate bill delayed the costliest changes by a few years to give that impression. It doesn't save money AND it increases taxes on many of the people it claims to "help" by forcing them to buy insurance as a condition of citizenship. That's not "freedom". Are you that naive? For someone always going on and on about the constitution, you'd think you of all people could see the unconstitutionality of what amounts to a "citizenship tax".



And just because other bills were passed with bribes doesn't mean I care. We are talking about THIS one. Looking at where our country is right now, there is very little to be confident about in this bill.
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That was one of the tricks. The senate bill delayed the costliest changes by a few years to give that impression. It doesn't save money AND it increases taxes on many of the people it claims to "help" by forcing them to buy insurance as a condition of citizenship. That's not "freedom". Are you that naive? For someone always going on and on about the constitution, you'd think you of all people could see the unconstitutionality of what amounts to a "citizenship tax".



And just because other bills were passed with bribes doesn't mean I care. We are talking about THIS one. Looking at where our country is right now, there is very little to be confident about in this bill.




I don't see it as a citizenship tax at all. As far as making people pay for things, they should. A lot of people here are complaining about those that don't pull their weight and are lazy and consumers. When everyone who can afford to pay something has to pay something, that reduces costs. I have confidence that this bill is the best we have right now, and that things need to be done now. It can always be changed and it will be. The real issue is that the republicans don't want it passed because then people will see that they have been lying and obstructionists. And that they have nothing better to offer except for the same shit they did during all the time they had the majority.
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I don't see it as a citizenship tax at all. As far as making people pay for things, they should. A lot of people here are complaining about those that don't pull their weight and are lazy and consumers. When everyone who can afford to pay something has to pay something, that reduces costs. I have confidence that this bill is the best we have right now, and that things need to be done now. It can always be changed and it will be. The real issue is that the republicans don't want it passed because then people will see that they have been lying and obstructionists. And that they have nothing better to offer except for the same shit they did during all the time they had the majority.
And right there, you once again expose how much of a hypocrite you are. The nature of freedom allows you the ability to not participate in the system at all. It is absolutely against the principles of liberty to force people who may or may not participate in the healthcare program to pay what amounts to a tax merely to be a US citizen. There is no other such a tax in our country. What part of the constitution are you interpreting that say something about pulling weight.

The Republicans and most of the taxpaying population can see this bill for the bullshit that it is.

It no one's responibilty to pay a forced insurance policy because others think they aren't "pulling their weight".

How can you not see it as the citizenship tax that it is?

What else do you call forcing every citizen to either purchase an insurance policy or face a significant fine if they don't?
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