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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:21 AM   #1
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Government workers who, unlike most other people, have been immunized from the effects of the recession, are now rising up Egypt style as the state tries to move to cut down the huge expense of government worker pensions.



Those who can do, those who can't work for the government. These insolent whiners need a little Iranian style response.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:23 AM   #2
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You mean like firemen? Or police?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:27 AM   #3
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You want to see a real example of lazy, overpaid, government workers, take the ones from Bell, CA. As well as all of the above, most of them are obese. They are facing trials for corruption and extorting money from its citizens.
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I think that's what she mean? The last thing we need to do is freeze the pay or advocating for pay reduction for our public sector workers. If anything we need raise every bodies pay up close to their levels.
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You mean like firemen? Or police?


I should have excluded them because they weren't among those whining and bitching in Wisconsin. It was mostly teachers and university professors (and their students). There's a spoiled group if there ever was one: college professors.
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You mean like firemen? Or police?


They are getting paid far too much especially when you include their pension, which is often based on the highest earnings in their final 3 years.



I heard of a fireman near us who retired at 48 with a pension of $140k a year!



Most policemen never put their lives on the line. Thet have become revenue generators in uniforms.
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I think that's what she mean? The last thing we need to do is freeze the pay or advocating for pay reduction for our public sector workers. If anything we need raise every bodies pay up close to their levels.


These guys made over $500K - $800K in that small town of Bell, a suburb of Los Angeles. When a Bell city official, who was making around $20K, asked why he was making so little and they were making so much, the answer he got was "because you were appointed."



This could be a messy trial.
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I think that's what she mean? The last thing we need to do is freeze the pay or advocating for pay reduction for our public sector workers. If anything we need raise every bodies pay up close to their levels.


When will you understand that we don't have the money to pay the lavish pension of public sector employees? It is one of the main reasons California is going under.



We don't force the private sector to give pay raises, Karl.



Traditionally, public employees were paid less than their private sector counterparts but the tradeoff was generous pensions. Now, government employees are usually paid a salary equivalent to a private sector one and yet they still retained the generous pensions. This is more than the taxpayers can afford. Again, we don't have the money.



Now, I know you are clinging desperately to your "conviction" out of self-interest, because I'm sure no private employer would want you working for them. So, like the liberal college professors that generally couldn't get a real job if they tried, you can afford to be a liberal whiner. But, the rest of us cannot.
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I think that's what she mean? The last thing we need to do is freeze the pay or advocating for pay reduction for our public sector workers. If anything we need raise every bodies pay up close to their levels.


How would you suggest we do that?



Unlike bloated public sector workers, private sector workers have to live with that annoying thing called 'market forces'.




Why should teachers get free health insurance fabulous pensions and 4 months paid vacation every year?
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They are getting paid far too much especially when you include their pension, which is often based on the highest earnings in their final 3 years.



I heard of a fireman near us who retired at 48 with a pension of $140k a year!



Most policemen never put their lives on the line. Thet have become revenue generators in uniforms.




I have no problem with taking away some of those crazy methods used when they are clearly outrageous like your example. Yet most are not going to retire with 140k a year pensions. The vast majority are not and earn a much lower salary like 50k.



As for police putting their lives on the line, it is an assumed risk of their job, and they are at risk even if they don't have to worry daily about it. The very nature of the job attests to that. Wearing that uniform alone can put you at risk.
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