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Old March 9th, 2011, 01:14 PM   #1
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Illinois has banned the death penalty, joining 15 other states that have abolished capital punishment for convicted prisoners. Gov. Patrick Quinn signed the bill to end the practice and commuted the sentences of 15 inmates who had been on the state's Death Row.

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Old March 9th, 2011, 01:57 PM   #2
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Way to go Illinois!
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I'm going to bookmark this one and get back to you tomorrow.



Right now, I've gotta go kill dinner.


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Yes, theirs lives are so precious. We certainly couldn't destroy one of Gods' great creations
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I never said that. I simply don't believe in the death penalty and I have seen to many people wrongly convicted to ever support it.
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I never said that. I simply don't believe in the death penalty and I have seen to many people wrongly convicted to ever support it.




Recent advances in DNA technology will next to eliminate wrong convictions. There are plenty of evil vicous people who deserve to die for their crimes. I don't think you need to have a divine ability to make such a determination.
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This is a difficult issue for me. I used to be able to say, without the slightest doubt, that I was totally and completely against the death penalty. Then, in the early 1980's, I picked up a book about Ted Bundy entitled 'The Only Living Witness' by Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth. Michaud and Aynesworth's work stands alone in the genre of true crime novels. They not only reported what Bundy did, with his help, they went more deeply into the mind of the monster than anyone should ever have to. The reports of his crimes, and his remarks concerning them were chilling enough, but in the center of the book were photographs of his known victims. In black and white. While I'm a red head, in black and white, my hair photographs as brunette. Like Bundy's victims. My hair was around shoulder length. So was theirs. My hair was parted in the center. Just like theirs. I fell right in the middle of their age range. I found myself looking at 26 variations of myself. To say that it was a chilling experience is an understatement.



After that, whenever I said that I was anti death penalty, I knew I wasn't being totally honest. A part of me wasn't any more. They day they executed Bundy, I felt an actual sense of relief. I felt that the world was just a little bit safer.



From that point on I tried taking the position..."I'm against the death penalty except for cases like Bundy", but I had to admit that was I was really saying was 'the death penalty is alright when I say so but not when I don't' so that position had to go.



So that leaves me......where? I wish I knew.



I would love to be able to say that I'm anti death penalty again, but as long as there are monsters like Bundy out there hunting, I cannot.



I'm self aware enough to realize that my approving of the execution of Bundy does not come from an unbiased intellect, but rather from pure emotion.



Then I am forced to ask myself whether emotion should be allowed to come into it at all. Perhaps it shouldn't, but how do you stop it?



So, I can't bring myself to say that I am anti death penalty, because a small part of me isn't. But I also can't say that I am pro death penalty, because the rest of me isn't.















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What bothers me most about the death penalty is how long justice takes to be fulfilled. People sit on death row for years.



In some cases, this makes a mockery of justice. Take Loughner in Arizona. People watched him shoot his victims. I was so surprised that no one in the crowd was armed given Arizona's gun laws. Maybe because it was a Democratic rally? I don't know. But justice would have been served best had he been shot on the spot.





Instead, he has a defense attorney, when no reasonable defense is possible. This will drag on for years. Jury selection, trial, assume a conviction, sentencing, appeals, appeals, appeals. Five, ten years from now, he may be on death row, still awaiting execution.





That bothers me.
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What bothers me most about the death penalty is how long justice takes to be fulfilled. People sit on death row for years.
For me the issue is not just the racial and class discrepancy for capital cases, but that a mistaken execution can't be fixed. And on principle I think the state should set the example that killing is generally wrong - not simply a useful policy.



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Instead, he has a defense attorney, when no reasonable defense is possible. This will drag on for years. Jury selection, trial, assume a conviction, sentencing, appeals, appeals, appeals. Five, ten years from now, he may be on death row, still awaiting execution.
Everyone deserves a vigorous defense, even people we utterly despise. If his crime was indefensible that will play out in court quickly. Loughner is pretty obviously mentally ill and the judge has recognized that based on his behavior in court, and has already ordered a psych eval to see if he can participate in his defense.



My brother knows Pat Quinn and used to work with him. Funny thing is that given my brother's experiences on 9/11 in the WTC, he's now on the opposite side of Quinn and me on this issue.
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Some people should die

That's just unconscious knowledge
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