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Old January 7th, 2012, 07:40 AM   #1
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The recent cutbacks in the Defense Department remind me how much I miss the days that our president had the respect of the United States Armed Forces...



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Barry? Barry???



And, holding up Dubya, a with us or against us draft-dodger who lied us into war with Iraq.



Your claim to being a radicalcentrist isn't supported by your digging up and posting this. It's germane to note that Ron Paul in 2008 and this cycle has received the greatest amount of campaign contributions from active and retired military, almost three times as much as all the GOP candidates put together, and over 50 percent more than Obama.



Ron Paul, the man who wants to bring all the troops home, has received more donations from the people who've done the dirty work with at least one arm tied behind their backs.



Isn't a "professional" military nice? They can do the heavy lifting, while all the armchair warriors screaming for blood and justice know damn well they won't be involved.
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Ron Paul??? Who said anything about Ron Paul?? Who said anything about donations to a political campaign? This is a post about respect of the Commander in Chief by the military. Is Ron Paul Commander in Chief? No. So what does this have to do about Ron Paul?
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Although there was far less enthuiasm with Obama, the reception wasn't exactly disrespectful.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #5
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Ron Paul??? Who said anything about Ron Paul?? Who said anything about donations to a political campaign? This is a post about respect of the Commander in Chief by the military. Is Ron Paul Commander in Chief? No. So what does this have to do about Ron Paul?


What has the video you posted have to do with anything, other than making a Republican political statement?



Bush meets with battle-toughened, front-line troops in Anbar in 2007, in an informal setting, as the surge showed some success, and as the tribal leaders there had decided to fight alongside our troops. A high moment, sorta like the "Mission Accomplished" moment.



The "Barry" part of the video showed a president giving a speech to graduating West Point cadets, all at attention. Do you think they'd break the order to stand at attention and go into an Anbar reception? No, they wouldn't.



So the comparison is totally bogus, transparently political as referring to the CIC as Barry was enough to establish.



I think you should change your screen name to radicalrepublican, RC, because the veneer of "independent" has worn off.



As for Ron Paul's campaign donations, here is a man who wants to bring the troops home, who rejects the concept of preemptive war, and yet he receives the majority of contributions from active and retired military. So yes, noting this is germane given the video you posted, and it's allegations.
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Ron Paul??? Who said anything about Ron Paul?? Who said anything about donations to a political campaign? This is a post about respect of the Commander in Chief by the military. Is Ron Paul Commander in Chief? No. So what does this have to do about Ron Paul?


What has the video you posted have to do with anything, other than making a Republican political statement?



Bush meets with battle-toughened, front-line troops in Anbar in 2007, in an informal setting, as the surge showed some success, and as the tribal leaders there had decided to fight alongside our troops. A high moment, sorta like the "Mission Accomplished" moment.



The "Barry" part of the video showed a president giving a speech to graduating West Point cadets, all at attention. Do you think they'd break the order to stand at attention and go into an Anbar reception? No, they wouldn't.



So the comparison is totally bogus, transparently political as referring to the CIC as Barry was enough to establish.



I think you should change your screen name to radicalrepublican, RC, because the veneer of "independent" has worn off.



As for Ron Paul's campaign donations, here is a man who wants to bring the troops home, who rejects the concept of preemptive war, and yet he receives the majority of contributions from active and retired military. So yes, noting this is germane given the video you posted, and it's allegations.


Why post this video? In response to current events. This is the current events area of the website. The current event to which I refer is Obama's recent cut back on the defense budget, and I noted the lack of respect that Obama has from the military, which respect has no doubt waned since this announcement. And I contrast the amount of respect the military has for this president, with the respect it had for the last president. I believe the military's respect for the Commander IN Chief is essential, not only for the performance of its job, but also to garner futures recruits.



Whether they were at attention is not apparent. But if they were made to stand at attention, to simulate respect for the president, that is just more reason to post the video. Here is a video of Bush speaking to cadets at West Point. Note, again, the response of respect for their Commander In Chief:



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TgLYLuDjlY[/youtube]



Yes, it is impossible for anyone to be objective, thinking clearly, if he or she believes that the Commander in Chief of the military should be respected by it.



"Ron Paul..Ron Paul...Ron Paul." Again, Ron Paul has nothing to do with this video, or the reason for posting it. That you would repeatedly bring up Ron Paul's name here only indicates to the reader that you are overcome by Ron Paul, introducing his name where it does not have any context, and then defending doing that. I suppose that you will now defend it again.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 04:37 AM   #7
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PROPOSED cuts....Cuts cannot be made unless agreed upon by Congress.



And even then how are budget cuts disrespectful to the military? We are currently 15 TRILLION in debt. Are you suggesting the Department of Defense budget is sacred and cannot be touched while we try to find a way out of this financial mess?



I think much more respect is being shown to our military by getting them OUT of situations like Iraq than by putting them into it.



Just as a note: As a Libertarian I have opposed almost every policy out of the Obama White House and will not be voting for him on November 2012.
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Mr. Obama is commander in chief of the military. Since World War II, the American military has been budgeted to fight two wars simultaneously. Under Mr Obama's direction, that will no longer be possible, in a dangerous world. I do believe in peace through strength. Maybe I have just been duped into believing that sworn enemies and world rivals are less likely to take advantage of a nation that maintains an overwhelmingly strong military. But it just only makes sense to me, understanding the history of the human condition and world events to whatever degree that I do. So this move to consciously downsize our military concerns me. For it not to concern me, I am forced to believe that the forces in the world that would like to deny my freedom have somehow relented and that they are now ready to leave me and others who love there freedom as I do to enjoy our lives to the fullest extent. If I am to be duped, I would rather be duped on the side of strength than weakness.
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Mr. Obama is commander in chief of the military. Since World War II, the American military has been budgeted to fight two wars simultaneously. Under Mr Obama's direction, that will no longer be possible, in a dangerous world. I do believe in peace through strength. Maybe I have just been duped into believing that sworn enemies and world rivals are less likely to take advantage of a nation that maintains an overwhelmingly strong military. But it just only makes sense to me, understanding the history of the human condition and world events to whatever degree that I do. So this move to consciously downsize our military concerns me. For it not to concern me, I am forced to believe that the forces in the world that would like to deny my freedom have somehow relented and that they are now ready to leave me and others who love there freedom as I do to enjoy our lives to the fullest extent. If I am to be duped, I would rather be duped on the side of strength than weakness.


Since the end of WWII, the United States has not been involved in any military undertaking that even comes close to what we did then. We have been involved in regional conflicts (Korea, Viet Nam, Bosnia, Middle East)...but there is NOTHING to indicate that we will ever be involved in a conflict that comes close to the scope of WWII. We currently have troops stationed in dozens of different countries around the world. Why? What possible deterrent is there in having troops stationed in Germany? England? Japan?. Are these countries threatened with imminent invasion?



http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13213



And even if you want to push the idea that we need this oversized military....how is debate over whether we need or not "disrespect" of the military? No one thinks the military is doing a poor job....just that they are doing things that AREN'T their job...and we need to stop spending money on those things.
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The two-war myth:



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But even abandoning the two-war doctrine wasn't a radical step. In fact, the doctrine has long been mostly a fiction as we learned in 2003, when we couldn't fight a medium-sized war in Iraq without taking troops away from Afghanistan.



In any case, the strategy says, decisions must also be "reversible." The Army and Marine Corps will shrink, for example, but the Pentagon will maintain a plan for rebuilding them quickly if a future president decides to wage two wars after all.



That was a key factor that helped win a measured endorsement from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the generals and admirals who run the armed forces.



"It's not perfect," said Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs. "There will be people who think it goes too far. Others will say it didn't go nearly far enough. That probably makes it about right for today."


And the next line in the story, which covers this thread:



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That won't make it immune from sniping in an election year, though.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...6600741.column



There ya go....
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