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Old March 4th, 2012, 07:25 PM   #1
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Another challenge to freedom of religion?





CANBERRA, Australia (AP) Muslim women in Australia's most populous state will have to remove veils to have their signatures officially witnessed under the latest laws giving NewSouth Wales officials authority to look under religious face coverings.



New South Wales state Attorney General Greg Smith said in a statement on Monday that beginning April 30, officials such as justices of the peace and lawyers who witness statutory declarations or affidavits without making identity checks will be fined 220 Australian dollars ($236).



The laws are a response to a notorious court case last year in which a Sydney woman was convicted of falsely claiming that a traffic policeman had attempted to remove her niqab a veil that reveals only the eyes.



A judge overturned the conviction because the official who witnessed the false claim did not look under the veil of the person who made it, so the judge was not certain that the defendant was responsible.



The latest laws were passed Dec. 23 by the state parliament. They follow New South Wales laws passed last year that introduced a AU$5,500 ($5,900) fine for anyone who refuses to remove face coverings when requested to do so by police.

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this isnt anything to do with religion. it is about ensuring police officers and other state officials correctly identify individuals. there are similar laws stating that veils cannot be worn while giving evidence in court and removing veils for passport photos and the same laws apply to motorcycle helmets or any other face covering.



quite the opposite to your accusation, this means that all people are treated equally, regardless of religion and no particular group are given special priviledges based on them expressing their faith.
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this isnt anything to do with religion. it is about ensuring police officers and other state officials correctly identify individuals. there are similar laws stating that veils cannot be worn while giving evidence in court and removing veils for passport photos and the same laws apply to motorcycle helmets or any other face covering.



quite the opposite to your accusation, this means that all people are treated equally, regardless of religion and no particular group are given special priviledges based on them expressing their faith.




There was a similar case in the UK a few years ago when Sikhs refused to wear crash helmets on motor bikes. In the end they were obligated to do so.



France has also recently banned Muslim veils in certain situations.



Being treated equally and contravening one's religious freedoms are not mutually exclusive.
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Islam is much more than a "religion". If it was just a religion, then there would be no problem for muslims to assimilate. The fact that Islam is much more than a religion is the problem and why muslims react to laws that everyone is supposed to abide by. This is the problem you have with brainwashed people.
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Islam is much more than a "religion". If it was just a religion, then there would be no problem for muslims to assimilate. The fact that Islam is much more than a religion is the problem and why muslims react to laws that everyone is supposed to abide by. This is the problem you have with brainwashed people.


If that were true, Tony, don't you think that every Afghan who think they were insulted by the burning of the Koran were all brainwashed? That gave them, what they thought, was just enough for them to start a riot over that.



Although we do have some good and decent Muslims in the world, but those protesting Afghans must have been brainwashed to riot about anything that the Americans do. A charismatic priest in Florida burns the Koran. Protests start. A couple of US soldiers burn the Koran. Uh oh, more riots.
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Islam is much more than a "religion". If it was just a religion, then there would be no problem for muslims to assimilate. The fact that Islam is much more than a religion is the problem and why muslims react to laws that everyone is supposed to abide by. This is the problem you have with brainwashed people.


If that were true, Tony, don't you think that every Afghan who think they were insulted by the burning of the Koran were all brainwashed? That gave them, what they thought, was just enough for them to start a riot over that.



Although we do have some good and decent Muslims in the world, but those protesting Afghans must have been brainwashed to riot about anything that the Americans do. A charismatic priest in Florida burns the Koran. Protests start. A couple of US soldiers burn the Koran. Uh oh, more riots.


Yes, we do have some good decent muslims in the world, I totally agree with that. I'm guilty of stereotyping here. However, there must be something in it for the rioters. If they are ignorant of so many things in this world, how do they get so informed on Quran burnings and so outraged over something so small when their entire country is a piece of crap? I think it's generations of enslavement to Islamist tribal lords. There is a segment who will do what they're told. There has to be some connection. These riots are not spontaneous.
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Being treated equally and contravening one's religious freedoms are not mutually exclusive.


if your religion instructs you to do something and the law of the country instructs you to do the opposite, something has to give. in secular countries it is religion that has to give way. in theocracies, such as iran or saudi arabia it is sometimes the law that gives way.



but looking at the veil issue in australia, or the motorcycle helmets in the UK, the issue isnt that the law is oppressing muslims, but that the law is being applied to them. there is no law that says they cannot be muslim, or cannot be sikh, no law that targets a particular religion. it is simply that the laws apply to everyone and your faith does not earn you an exemption.



it would be concievable to pass laws with the intention of targetting a particular religion but are worded carefully enough to look like they are generic. i dont think this is the case here.
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