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Old March 27th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #1
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By: Alvin McEwen Tuesday March 27, 2012 7:55 am



The National Organization for Marriage’s unsuccessful fight to skirt Maine’s financial disclosure laws just backfired majorly on the group by revealing a distasteful part of its game plan to stop marriage equality.

According to a court document that was uploaded online, NOM specificallyworked to drive a wedge between the black and gay community on the subject of marriage equality:


According to page 11 of this document called Marriage: $20 Million Strategy for Victory:
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3. Not a Civil Right Project

The strategic goal of this project is to drive a wedge between gays and blacks – two key democratic constituencies. We aim to find, equip, energize and connect African American spokespeople for marriage; to develop a media campaign around their objections to gay marriage as a civil right; and to provoke the gay marriage base into responding by denouncing these spokesmen and women as bigots. No politician wants to take up and push an issue that splits the base of the party.


NOM has portrayed whatever African-American opposition to marriage equality its spotlighted as spontaneous attempts by leaders and members of the black community to keep its civil rights legacy from supposedly being “tainted” by a comparison to gay equality.


But now we see that there was nothing spontaneous about this. It was a cynically planned effort by NOM – which the organization continues to exploit – in order to drive a wedge between blacks and gays.


And notice how NOM says that one of the purposes of creating this division was to create a negative reaction from gay equality supporters against the African-Americans speaking out against marriage equality.


One doesn’t have to spell out how this benefits NOM’s efforts. The two sides attack each other with extreme anger causing magazine articles to be written about the division, news programs to focus on the division, and venomous chats to occur on places like Facebook and Twitter.


Some heterosexual African-Americans will let loose with homophobia against the gay community. And some white lgbtqs will express racist comments about the black community. Both communities will be at each other’s throats. There will be no intelligent conversations on the matter and neither community will benefit an iota.


And NOM will sit back and reap the benefits of causing this chaos.


It reminds me of an Aesop fable I once posted:
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An Eagle had made her nest at the top of a lofty oak. A Fox, having found a convenient hole, lived with her young in the middle of the trunk; and a Wild Sow with her young had taken shelter in a hollow at its foot. The Fox resolved to destroy by her arts this chance-made colony. She climbed to the nest of the Eagle, and said: “Destruction is preparing for you, and for me too. The Wild Sow, whom you may see daily digging up the earth, wishes to uproot the oak, that she may, on its fall, seize our families as food.” Then she crept down to the cave of the Sow and said: “Your children are in great danger; for as soon as you shall go out with your litter to find food, the Eagle is prepared to pounce upon one of your little pigs.” When night came, she went forth with silent foot and obtained food for herself and her young; but, feigning to be afraid, she kept a look-out all through the day. Meanwhile, the Eagle, full of fear of the Sow, sat still on the branches, and the Sow, terrified by the Eagle, did not dare to go out from her cave; and thus they each, with their families, perished from hunger.


Moral – Gay folks and black folks can argue all day as to who gets to be the “sow” and who gets to be the “eagle.” But both groups better damn well recognize who the hell the fox is.


This sort of vile divide and conquer strategy is nothing new. History is filled with instances of communities, particularly communities seeking equality, are being pitted against one another by a third group with ulterior motives.


We just got lucky this time. It just so happens that the third group in question was dumb enough to put its evil in writing.


The question now is what do we do about it, especially the folks in North Carolina who set to vote on Amendment One, one of those vile things that NOM is pushing.





Was there ever any doubt about NOM's being dumb enough to actually document their evil? Or that they were this disgustingly concerned with keeping gay people in a second class citizen status?
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:21 AM   #2
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.



Furthermore, I think it's extremely offensive and patronizing toward blacks to suggest the only -- or even primary -- reason that blacks might oppose gay marriage (or, at least be fed up with the "equality" comparisons) is because they were all somehow hoodwinked by some relatively obscure right-wing group.
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.


No there aren't. Only religious bias and bigotry. Being black doesn't mean that you don't have any bias. There is nothing offensive when discussing that civil rights apply to all Americans, and that gays are still struggling to get their rights recognized, as other groups have in the past and still are struggling to do today.
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.


No there aren't. Only religious bias and bigotry. Being black doesn't mean that you don't have any bias. There is nothing offensive when discussing that civil rights apply to all Americans, and that gays are still struggling to get their rights recognized, as other groups have in the past and still are struggling to do today.


Once again, you're not really offering anything but rhetoric and platitude.

And the fact that you blame everything on "religious bias and bigotry" speaks volumes.



Methinks a good number of blacks are intelligent enough to see through such B.S. And perhaps they are growing weary of being called "bigots" simply because they won't re-fasion religion in order to appease political correctness.



NOM's methods might be cynical. But they never created a "wedge" that wasn't there in the first place.
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.


No there aren't. Only religious bias and bigotry. Being black doesn't mean that you don't have any bias. There is nothing offensive when discussing that civil rights apply to all Americans, and that gays are still struggling to get their rights recognized, as other groups have in the past and still are struggling to do today.


Once again, you're not really offering anything but rhetoric and platitude.

And the fact that you blame everything on "religious bias and bigotry" speaks volumes.



Methinks a good number of blacks are intelligent enough to see through such B.S. And perhaps they are growing weary of being called "bigots" simply because they won't re-fasion religion in order to appease political correctness.



NOM's methods might be cynical. But they never created a "wedge" that wasn't there in the first place.

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I am offering nothing of the sort, I am offering the truth. Civil rights are not only a black issue and there are many black people that support legal recognition of same sex marriage. Your opinion of what I offer notwithstanding.
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Oh and religion and holy matrimony have no place in civil marriage laws.
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.


Get back top me on that when you have lived almost your entire life in fear that your life may be destroyed if you are outed as loving someone that society does not approve of.
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Why is this a surprise?



It's a well known fact that the majority of blacks and latinos oppose the redefinition of marriage for homosexuals, just as they oppose odious comparisons between the civil rights of African Americans and the whiny demands of sexual deviants.



Here in CA 70% of black voters oppose homosexual marriage





70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds

November 5, 2008





The Associated Press exit polls show that African Americans and Latinos backed Proposition 8 in good numbers.



California's black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for Barack Obama, also provided key support in favor of the state's same-sex marriage ban. Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for The Associated Press.



More than half of Latino voters supported Proposition 8, while whites were split. Religious groups led the tightly organized campaign for the measure, and religious voters were decisive in getting it passed. Of the seven in 10 voters who described themselves as Christian, two-thirds backed the initiative. Married voters and voters with children strongly supported Proposition 8. Unmarried voters were heavily opposed.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...african-a.html



This is about as newsworthy as saying that members of the Screen Actors Guild are a prime market for pro-homosexual marriage votes!
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By: Alvin McEwen Tuesday March 27, 2012 7:55 am



The National Organization for Marriage’s unsuccessful fight to skirt Maine’s financial disclosure laws just backfired majorly on the group by revealing a distasteful part of its game plan to stop marriage equality.




Does Alvin McEwen mean marriage equality or just homosexual marriage?



I didn't see any mention of polygamous, consanguineous or bestial marriage in his article?



Could this be a clue:



Alvin McEwen is 40-year-old African-American gay man.



He is the author of Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters: Exposing the Lies of the Anti-Gay Industry

http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.com/



So we can be sure Alvin is fair and balanced in his comments
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.


What "good reasons" are there to oppose other people's civil rights?







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Furthermore, I think it's extremely offensive and patronizing toward blacks to suggest the only -- or even primary -- reason that blacks might oppose gay marriage (or, at least be fed up with the "equality" comparisons) is because they were all somehow hoodwinked by some relatively obscure right-wing group.


In fact they have been hoodwinked by hate groups like NOM, and by the homophobia of their religions. What it reveals is that many blacks are unaware of their own civil rights history and unaware that a black gay activist, Bayard Rustin, was a pivotal and primary figure in that history. Rustin is the reason MLK became a nationally prominent figure.



Regarding other minority groups, 57% of Latino Catholics in California support marriage equality. No surprise since 71% of Catholics nationwide support marriage equality.
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.


What "good reasons" are there to oppose other people's civil rights?







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Furthermore, I think it's extremely offensive and patronizing toward blacks to suggest the only -- or even primary -- reason that blacks might oppose gay marriage (or, at least be fed up with the "equality" comparisons) is because they were all somehow hoodwinked by some relatively obscure right-wing group.


In fact they have been hoodwinked by hate groups like NOM, and by the homophobia of their religions. What it reveals is that many blacks are unaware of their own civil rights history and unaware that a black gay activist, Bayard Rustin, was a pivotal and primary figure in that history. Rustin is the reason MLK became a nationally prominent figure.



Regarding other minority groups, 57% of Latino Catholics in California support marriage equality. No surprise since 71% of Catholics nationwide support marriage equality.




We already showed that you lied about that poll, 71% of Catholics is only 43% or almost exactly the same as the national average
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All the documents are available at:

http://www.hrc.org/b...on-nom-strategy



This NOM strategy was charming:



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The Latino vote in America is a key swing vote, and will be so even more so in the future, both because of demographic growth and inherent uncertainty: Will the process of assimilation to the dominant Anglo culture lead Hispanics to abandon traditional family values? We must interrupt this process of assimilation by making support for marriage a key badge of Latino identity - a symbol of resistance to inappropriate assimilation.


That's sort of liking teaching the Scots-Irish immigrants to hate blacks, a strategy the original KKK used.
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NOM's approach notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many blacks -- and other minorities -- aren't supportive of gay marriage, and are highly offended when it's compared to their own struggles for equal rights.


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Furthermore, I think it's extremely offensive and patronizing toward blacks to suggest the only -- or even primary -- reason that blacks might oppose gay marriage (or, at least be fed up with the "equality" comparisons) is because they were all somehow hoodwinked by some relatively obscure right-wing group.


In fact they have been hoodwinked by hate groups like NOM, and by the homophobia of their religions. What it reveals is that many blacks are unaware of their own civil rights history and unaware that a black gay activist, Bayard Rustin, was a pivotal and primary figure in that history. Rustin is the reason MLK became a nationally prominent figure.




Your arrogance reminds me of homosexual Judge Walker who described 7 MILLION Californian voters as "bigots" because they choose to disagree with his homosexual lifestyle



How arrogant of you to even suggest that black Americans are less intelligent than you white honkies and are therefore able to be "hoodwinked" by anybody



How dare you suggest that black Americans are "unaware of their own civil rights history". More correctly they despise it when people like you make the repulsive comparison between "your sin and my skin".



If there is any hoodwinking going on it is the delusion that homosexuality is normal
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Looks like Gary and mytmouse are doing their best to follow NOM's hate-filled play book, by pitting one minority group against another.
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Looks like Gary and mytmouse are doing their best to follow NOM's hate-filled play book, by pitting one minority group against another.


If you are so concerned about minorities disagreeing you can help avoid that by working to get homosexuals to agree with African Americans and Latinos.



And most other Americans
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Note that this is just the beginning of the fallout for NOM as they've lost all their attempts in several states (and in SCOTUS) to keep these documents hidden, and keep their donor list from public view.



I thought these comments from HRC nailed it:



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Nothing beats hearing from the horse’s mouth exactly how callous and extremist this group really is,” said HRC President Joe Solmonese. “Such brutal honesty is a game changer, and this time NOM can’t spin and twist its way out of creating an imagined rift between LGBT people and African-Americans or Hispanics.”



The document dump details NOM’s goals, including “2010 Priority: Roll Back Gay Marriage in New Hampshire, Iowa, and D.C.” and “keeping gay marriage controversial in Massachusetts, Vermont, and Connecticut.” Marriage equality has in fact not been rolled back in either of these states or D.C.



In NOM Deposition Exhibit 12, the group notes that it plans to spend $100,000 on a “study of what schools are teaching in gay marriage/civil union regimes.”



"These documents confirm my worst beliefs about NOM's cynical politicking,” said Jeremy Hooper, editor and publisher of Good As You and NOM Exposed partner. “It's hard to find joy in such divisive political games, but I'm certainly glad we know NOM's hurtful plans now before more folks are hurt.”
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Here's a good video revealing the split in the black church. Apparently some black folks understand civil rights, and others are simply bigots:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z557ze2cUig
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Note that this is just the beginning of the fallout for NOM as they've lost all their attempts in several states (and in SCOTUS) to keep these documents hidden, and keep their donor list from public view.




How about documents from GBLT groups, have they all been exposed yet?



Including the ones that try to turn people against their church, or children against their parents?
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Here's a good video revealing the split in the black church. Apparently some black folks understand civil rights, and others are simply bigots:



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z557ze2cUig[/media]




There is no such thing as the "black church" any more than there is a white church or a brown church.



That is your craving for segregation speaking.



She belongs to a Southern Baptist church and has a perfect right to uphold the Word of God in defiance of her misguided pastors.



How arrogant for a white guy like you to accuse her of being a bigot when she grew up in an era of racism and experienced it personally
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Funny too how elderly bigots like Gary and the woman in the video think other people's marriages are their business. Apparently the fact that some couples want to celebrate their marriage with a religious wedding at their own church is simply intolerable to such bigots......they can't stand gay folks being happy.



Historically, there were similar church divisions over things like mixed-race marriage, and whether black folks should be allowed in the ministry or kept in shackles. But I guess that's why religions have denominations, to separate the bigoted from the enlightened.



Very funny that the woman in the video is a Southern Baptist, given the profoundly racist history of that church. You'd think she'd know better, but I guess not all black folks understand civil rights or are even aware of their own history.
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