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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #1
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President Obama declared for the first time on Wednesday that he supports same-sex marriage, putting the moral power of his presidency behind a social issue that continues to divide the country.



At a certain point, Mr. Obama said in an interview in the Cabinet Room at the White House with ABC s Robin Roberts, I ve just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married.



The comments end years of public equivocating over the divisive social issue for the president, who has previously said he opposed gay marriage but repeatedly said he was evolving on the issue because of contact with friends and others who are gay.



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This could be the final nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency.



Still at least he is finally being honest. Now it's up to the voters to decide
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I was literally just about to post this topic as I got the news feed on Facebook, you beat me to it!
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I was literally just about to post this topic as I got the news feed on Facebook, you beat me to it!


This won't go down well with Obama's African American and Latino base.



It may just tip the balance toward President Romney
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Good, people like a president who fence sits. It is good he finally made his position clear. I am not worried about this affecting his chances, look at Jerry Brown in California, he handily won as governor on a platform of marriage equality, he refused to defend Prop H8 as attorney general....and the same for Andrew Cuomo in New York who vowed to overturn the ban on same sex marriage in New York. The people who would not vote for Obama because of this, would not vote for him anyway....and he knows this, this just gets his base more excited, especially young people.



This is good for America, good for the campaign, and another nail in the coffin for homophobic bigotry in America.
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I agree, most of the people who'd vote for Obama only see this as to strengthen their resolve to vote for him again, the same can be said for those who oppose him. I couldn't give a shit about gay marriage, I think this is more of a political ploy to further divide the nation between the self-sufficeint generations and the entitlement generations. we'll see how it comes our come Nov.
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Good, people like a president who fence sits. It is good he finally made his position clear. I am not worried about this affecting his chances, look at Jerry Brown in California, he handily won as governor on a platform of marriage equality, he refused to defend Prop H8 as attorney general....and the same for Andrew Cuomo in New York who vowed to overturn the ban on same sex marriage in New York. The people who would not vote for Obama because of this, would not vote for him anyway....and he knows this, this just gets his base more excited, especially young people.



This is good for America, good for the campaign, and another nail in the coffin for homophobic bigotry in America.


NY and CA will vote for any candidate with D after his name, even if it were Mickey Mouse.



The election will be decided by those 6 or 7 swing states, like NC,, most of which have already voted against homosexual marriage..........
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This announcement will have zilch effect on the election, in my opinion.



The course of the economy between now and Election Day will have the most influence on independents and the undecided. If the economy improves, or gives the appearance of improving, Obama gets a second term. It won't be a landslide, but he'll win.
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This announcement will have zilch effect on the election, in my opinion.



The course of the economy between now and Election Day will have the most influence on independents and the undecided. If the economy improves, or gives the appearance of improving, Obama gets a second term. It won't be a landslide, but he'll win.


I agree, Obama's biggest worry is how the last four years of his presidency have been received by the people. Whenever someone talks about the election, the main focus is economic stability and whether or not Obama can ever achieve that.
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Obama's statement about his children pointing out to him the prejudice of opposing gay marriage was nice. It's great to see a father realize that his acions are being observed and contemplated by his children, so it's best to set a good example.
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Obama's statement about his children pointing out to him the prejudice of opposing gay marriage was nice. It's great to see a father realize that his acions are being observed and contemplated by his children, so it's best to set a good example.


Yes, the role of a parent is both one of teacher and student.
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I'm proud of him. It was politically courageous, and not something that gives him advantages in swing states. But right now, we don't know what the net effect is going to be. But I am happy that he took the public position he did on this.



As far as the stupid right wing already proclaiming that the president has declared a war on traditional marriage, that's is just moronic. Opposite sex couples will not be at all effected by legal benefits being given equally to all marriages. You cannot claim that there is a war when nothing is being threatened.
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I'm proud of him. It was politically courageous, and not something that gives him advantages in swing states. But right now, we don't know what the net effect is going to be. But I am happy that he took the public position he did on this.



As far as the stupid right wing already proclaiming that the president has declared a war on traditional marriage, that's is just moronic. Opposite sex couples will not be at all effected by legal benefits being given equally to all marriages. You cannot claim that there is a war when nothing is being threatened.


I just saw Cory Booker, The Mayor of Newark on The Rachel Maddow Show.....and he was like, who cares about the politics of this? We need to stand up for what is right....and he's right.



Let the political fallout be what it is. At some point in time, the leader of the free world has to stand up for the truth and let the chips fall where they may.



Personally, I think this is not going to mean much of anything for the election. As for North Carolina?? This was a Republican Primary Election and less than half the electorate even turned out to vote.....if this had happened in November, the outcome could have been very different.
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Good link. I loved this rather apropos image:



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I'm proud of him. It was politically courageous, and not something that gives him advantages in swing states. But right now, we don't know what the net effect is going to be. But I am happy that he took the public position he did on this.



As far as the stupid right wing already proclaiming that the president has declared a war on traditional marriage, that's is just moronic. Opposite sex couples will not be at all effected by legal benefits being given equally to all marriages. You cannot claim that there is a war when nothing is being threatened.


I just saw Cory Booker, The Mayor of Newark on The Rachel Maddow Show.....and he was like, who cares about the politics of this? We need to stand up for what is right....and he's right.



Let the political fallout be what it is. At some point in time, the leader of the free world has to stand up for the truth and let the chips fall where they may.



Personally, I think this is not going to mean much of anything for the election. As for North Carolina?? This was a Republican Primary Election and less than half the electorate even turned out to vote.....if this had happened in November, the outcome could have been very different.


I, too, am proud of Mr. Obama.



What other principled positions could he take?
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I'm proud of him. It was politically courageous, and not something that gives him advantages in swing states. But right now, we don't know what the net effect is going to be. But I am happy that he took the public position he did on this.



As far as the stupid right wing already proclaiming that the president has declared a war on traditional marriage, that's is just moronic. Opposite sex couples will not be at all effected by legal benefits being given equally to all marriages. You cannot claim that there is a war when nothing is being threatened.


I just saw Cory Booker, The Mayor of Newark on The Rachel Maddow Show.....and he was like, who cares about the politics of this? We need to stand up for what is right....and he's right.



Let the political fallout be what it is. At some point in time, the leader of the free world has to stand up for the truth and let the chips fall where they may.



Personally, I think this is not going to mean much of anything for the election. As for North Carolina?? This was a Republican Primary Election and less than half the electorate even turned out to vote.....if this had happened in November, the outcome could have been very different.


I, too, am proud of Mr. Obama.



What other principled positions could he take?

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He could have taken Romney's principled position, who once said "I am more convinced than ever before that as we seek to establish full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent"............right before he flip-flopped to being a greedy bigot who wants special rights and privileges for himself while denying them to gays.



What gets me is that anyone at all is surprised by Obama coming out in favor of marriage equality, given that he already did that twice on the record in 1995, and since then has consistently said that he supported fairness and equal treatment under the law for gay couples. One would have to be really gullible or dense like Gary not to know where Obama was coming from all along.



This will only help Obama and the Dems during the election. A clear line has been drawn - one party supports civil rights for all, the other doesn't.
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This could be the final nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency.


This is just a distraction Gary to try and keep people from realising HE HAS BEEN THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!
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Obama's statement about his children pointing out to him the prejudice of opposing gay marriage was nice. It's great to see a father realize that his acions are being observed and contemplated by his children, so it's best to set a good example.


Yeah that's just great when the President of the United States bases policy on the dinner table ramblings of his 10 and 13 year old daughters!



If they think homosexual marriage is ok then why should Obama worry about the 44 million Americans - so far - who have voted against it.



Perhaps Obama will take his daughter's advice on other issues and nominate Justin Bieber to be the next Secretary of State



Seriously his shameful pandering to the homosexual base after being crushed in three primaries the previous day is very transparent.



As is parlaying his family when it suits him and declaring them off-limits when it isn't
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This could be the final nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency.


This is just a distraction Gary to try and keep people from realising HE HAS BEEN THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!


I think Obama's duplicity and dishonesty might persuade a few independents in swing states to give Romney a chance.



Although so far Romney has shown all the killer instincts of a baby lamb
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