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Old June 21st, 2012, 11:39 AM   #1
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See the clip here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-18525192







Trayvon Martin said "you're gonna die tonight motherf****er"



Seems pretty clear this was self-defence:



21 June 2012 Last updated at 13:51 ET





Lawyers for a Florida neighbourhood watchman who killed an unarmed black teenager have released a video of him giving his account to police at the scene of the shooting.



In the clip, George Zimmerman says he pulled his gun and shot Trayvon Martin as the teen tried to get his weapon.



On Wednesday, the police chief in the Orlando suburb of Sanford was fired for his handling of the investigation.



February's shooting spurred a debate on racial profiling that divided the US.



Mr Zimmerman faces second-degree murder charges over the 17-year-old's death.



The 28-year-old appears in the video, taken the day after the shooting, with two butterfly bandages on the back of his head and another on his nose.Zimmerman: He reached for my gun



He re-enacts a fight with Martin, saying the teenager was "slamming and slamming" his head on the sidewalk.



"It felt like my head was going to explode," he says, adding that Martin covered his mouth when he started screaming for help.

In the video, Mr Zimmerman tells police a fight ensued when Martin confronted him.




His defence team has used a website to post information favourable to their case and to attract donations for his legal costs.



On Wednesday, Sanford's city manager fired police chief Bill Lee, who announced in March he was temporarily stepping aside.



Florida police did not arrest Mr Zimmerman for six weeks after the shooting because he said he opened fire in self-defence.



Under Florida's the state's controversial "stand your ground" law, the use of lethal force is allowed if a person feels seriously under threat.



Also on Wednesday, police released a 911 call from Tracy Martin, the teenager's father, reporting his son missing the morning after the shooting, the Orlando Sentinel reports.



Mr Zimmerman is back in prison after his bail was revoked. A Florida judge ruled that he had misled the court about his finances.

The accused's wife faces a perjury charge alleging she knowingly made false statements about the couple's finances during a hearing.




Previously released recordings show Mr Zimmerman telling a police dispatcher he thought Martin looked suspicious.

The teenager, who was a visitor to the area, was walking back home from a nearby convenience store when the fatal confrontation happened.
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What is funny is that you think it's an achievement. How many of them were worth the time spent reading them?



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I watched the video of his reenactment last night. He is very believable.



It wasn稚 so much the main points relaying the sequence of events that got my attention but the subtle gestures, the changes in tone of voice and his body language. He値l make a good witness on the stand.



There is always the possibility he is an unusually good liar. Toss in the fact that we値l never get to hear the other side of the story. Roll it all together and it will probably come down to physical evidence.
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As a law enforcement official, I would never trust the word and recollection of events from the person that shot the other person and killed them. And we now know that he is indeed a liar, and so is his wife. When you are worried about going to jail for a long time, as would be the case in shooting someone who was unarmed and not doing anything wrong, you are going to recall the events in the manner most beneficial to your cause, namely freedom. The trouble is, he is the only witness, since the only other person to see it, is dead. It could go either way. But I can't say if he should take the stand, because I don't have access to what the prosecution has and I don't know if it would be better for him or not to speak for himself. If the state's case is thin, I would if I were his attorney, but it is always very risky if the prosecutor is talented.
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As a law enforcement official, I would never trust the word and recollection of events from the person that shot the other person and killed them. And we now know that he is indeed a liar, and so is his wife. When you are worried about going to jail for a long time, as would be the case in shooting someone who was unarmed and not doing anything wrong, you are going to recall the events in the manner most beneficial to your cause, namely freedom. The trouble is, he is the only witness, since the only other person to see it, is dead. It could go either way. But I can't say if he should take the stand, because I don't have access to what the prosecution has and I don't know if it would be better for him or not to speak for himself. If the state's case is thin, I would if I were his attorney, but it is always very risky if the prosecutor is talented.




You just gave several reasons why you will never be a law enforcement official.
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As a law enforcement official, I would never trust the word and recollection of events from the person that shot the other person and killed them. And we now know that he is indeed a liar, and so is his wife. When you are worried about going to jail for a long time, as would be the case in shooting someone who was unarmed and not doing anything wrong, you are going to recall the events in the manner most beneficial to your cause, namely freedom. The trouble is, he is the only witness, since the only other person to see it, is dead. It could go either way. But I can't say if he should take the stand, because I don't have access to what the prosecution has and I don't know if it would be better for him or not to speak for himself. If the state's case is thin, I would if I were his attorney, but it is always very risky if the prosecutor is talented.




You just gave several reasons why you will never be a law enforcement official.


If you think that law enforcement officials simply take what one person says happened when the only other witness is dead, you would be mighty wrong. My reasons are sound. Perhaps we should be very thankful that you are not one, there would be no arrests of people that didn't have a number of witnesses not backing up their side of events, cause their versions would be satisfactory to you.
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As a law enforcement official, I would never trust the word and recollection of events from the person that shot the other person and killed them. And we now know that he is indeed a liar, and so is his wife. When you are worried about going to jail for a long time, as would be the case in shooting someone who was unarmed and not doing anything wrong, you are going to recall the events in the manner most beneficial to your cause, namely freedom. The trouble is, he is the only witness, since the only other person to see it, is dead. It could go either way. But I can't say if he should take the stand, because I don't have access to what the prosecution has and I don't know if it would be better for him or not to speak for himself. If the state's case is thin, I would if I were his attorney, but it is always very risky if the prosecutor is talented.




You just gave several reasons why you will never be a law enforcement official.


If you think that law enforcement officials simply take what one person says happened when the only other witness is dead, you would be mighty wrong. My reasons are sound. Perhaps we should be very thankful that you are not one, there would be no arrests of people that didn't have a number of witnesses not backing up their side of events, cause their versions would be satisfactory to you.

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As a law enforcement official you are required to observe the universal assumption of innocence.



Zimmerman has never denied he shot Martin but that is no reason to disbelieve the rest of his testimony.



Nor can you prove that he lied about his ability to make bail, as his website was collecting donations AFTER the bail hearing.



And even if he was lying about his financial situation that doesn't mean he was lying about the shooting.



Your inability to stand back and see situations fairly and without discrimination is what makes you unsuitable to be a law enforcement official at any level
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Of course there is reason to disbelieve it, he shot and killed someone and would say whatever he had to to stay out of jail. Duh!
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Of course there is reason to disbelieve it, he shot and killed someone and would say whatever he had to to stay out of jail. Duh!


Why is that reason to believe he didn't shoot in self defence?



Trayvon Martin told him "you're gonna die tonight motherf****er"



Duh!
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That is only according to Zimmerman, who shot and killed an unarmed person. Double duh! You do not only consider what he says, it has to be backed up with evidence.
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That is only according to Zimmerman, who shot and killed an unarmed person. Double duh! You do not only consider what he says, it has to be backed up with evidence.


Look at the injuries to Zimmerman's head and the fact Martin returned and confronted him.



If Martin was a white guy you would believe everything Zimmerman has said.
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All of your points are not in fact points, aside from the bumped head, which was from the scuffle. The rest is simply repeating what Zimmerman claims happened or what you assume happened from his words. They prove nothing he claims to be so.
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All of your points are not in fact points, aside from the bumped head, which was from the scuffle. The rest is simply repeating what Zimmerman claims happened or what you assume happened from his words. They prove nothing he claims to be so.




Your bias doesn't disprove anything Zimmerman says either.



You cannot deny that Martin could have either explained the legitimate reason for his presence or run away.



Instead he chose to confront Zimmerman and threaten him. That's why he had extensive head injuries which you try to dismiss. Had he simply shot Martin in cold blood as you want to believe he would not have have sustained any injuries



We also know Martin was under the influence of mind altering drugs.
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I watched the video of his reenactment last night. He is very believable.



It wasn稚 so much the main points relaying the sequence of events that got my attention but the subtle gestures, the changes in tone of voice and his body language. He値l make a good witness on the stand.



There is always the possibility he is an unusually good liar. Toss in the fact that we値l never get to hear the other side of the story. Roll it all together and it will probably come down to physical evidence.


Very true.
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I watched the video of his reenactment last night. He is very believable.



It wasn稚 so much the main points relaying the sequence of events that got my attention but the subtle gestures, the changes in tone of voice and his body language. He値l make a good witness on the stand.



There is always the possibility he is an unusually good liar. Toss in the fact that we値l never get to hear the other side of the story. Roll it all together and it will probably come down to physical evidence.


I doubt the judge or jury will find Zimmerman to be credible at this point.



How did that great sage Dubya put it? "There's an old saying in Tennessee....I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee....that says, fool me once, shame on....shame on you. Fool me....you can't get fooled again."
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I watched the video of his reenactment last night. He is very believable.



It wasn稚 so much the main points relaying the sequence of events that got my attention but the subtle gestures, the changes in tone of voice and his body language. He値l make a good witness on the stand.



There is always the possibility he is an unusually good liar. Toss in the fact that we値l never get to hear the other side of the story. Roll it all together and it will probably come down to physical evidence.


I doubt the judge or jury will find Zimmerman to be credible at this point.


Because...................?
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[font=Georgia, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif]George Zimmerman walked out of jail on $1 million bond today to await his trial on charges of killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.[/font]



[font=Georgia, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif]Dressed in a gray suit covering a bullet-proof vest, Zimmerman walked out of Seminole County Correctional Facility just before 3 p.m., flanked by a body guard and an unknown man.[/font]



[font=Georgia, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif]He made no comment to reporters as he climbed into a waiting SUV.[/font]



[font=Georgia, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif]Zimmerman, who is accused of second degree murder in the shooting death of the unarmed teen, used money donated by supporters to pay a portion of the bond.[/font]



[font=Georgia, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif]Florida Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester raised Zimmerman's bond Thursday from $150,000 to $1 million after prosecutors proved that Zimmerman had misled the court about how much money he had raised from supporters and stashed in bank accounts. Lester wrote that it was reasonable to assume that since Zimmerman had more than $130,000 in cash and a second passport, he might try to flee the U.S. to avoid prosecution.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif]http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html[/font]
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That reenactment is as believable as Romney supporting bailing out GM from day 1. And waitingtable would make a great law enforcement official.
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