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Old June 28th, 2012, 06:13 AM   #1
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The Court has decided that the individual mandate is Constitutional, but as a tax penalty and not under the commerce clause. So, it was indeed Constitutional.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 06:33 AM   #2
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He better stand by his promise..
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Old June 28th, 2012, 06:49 AM   #3
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He took this plan from your former Governor's law.
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He took this plan from your former Governor's law.


You mean Ted Kennedy? Everyone calls it Romneycare, but you have to remember Romney worked with leading Democrat's in my state so fix a state problem. Obamacare is absolutely nothing like Romneycare. Our Government should let states craft up their own plans, not a one-size-fits-all because that simply will not work.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 06:58 AM   #5
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He took this plan from your former Governor's law.


You mean Ted Kennedy? Everyone calls it Romneycare, but you have to remember Romney worked with leading Democrat's in my state so fix a state problem. Obamacare is absolutely nothing like Romneycare. Our Government should let states craft up their own plans, not a one-size-fits-all because that simply will not work.


Under the law you call Obamacare, the states absolutely have the option to craft their own health reform as long as it does the same as the federal law does or better. Check out what Vermont has done and you will see what I am saying. But states do not have the option to allow for this significant portion of our economy and GDP to grow further and must either comply with Obamacare or create their own versions like Mass and Vermont.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 07:03 AM   #6
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Our Government should let states craft up their own plans, not a one-size-fits-all because that simply will not work.


And that's what the ACA does - let states create their own plans which meet a minimum standard. Only when a state fails to do so do the feds step in and take over for the teabaggers.
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I was somewhat mistaken. At first, I thought what the SCOTUS did was easy. Then I realized they reviewed it for months. And then it came down to a 5-4 decision.



My boss and I talked about it this morning. He said he probably could not be approved for health insurance because he has a variety of things done to him like stents, angioplasties, etc. I told him he'd probably would have had to apply for MRMIP type of insurance in California, which is what I did.



Having said, if a patient has to go to the emergency room without insurance but is able to afford it, I do wonder if an in-house social worker would visit the patient and ask if he/she wishes to be insured. I guess it all depends on the patient's health history. If a person has no red flags like high blood pressure, heart ailments, is not obese, whatever, then perhaps the patient can apply for health insurance without fear of being turned down.



Otherwise, the patient might have to apply through an MRMIP (Major Risk Medical Insurance Program in California) or PCIP (Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, if a patient hadn't been insured for 6 months or more). For a patient to do that, he/she would have to show proof of being denied insurance, pay the first month's premium, and a couple of other things.



I am sure everybody remembers that Romney had a similar plan in Massachusetts. Yet he said he does not approve of Obamacare. I guess that's why I won't vote for Mitt. He seems to be a little wishy-washy. My boss would vote for Obama, even though he is a republican voter.
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Either way, he lied to the American people. He said he was not going to raise taxes back in 2008/2009, yet we are forced to purchase health insurance else we face a tax penalty. Either way, we are being forced to pay something.



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You are already forced to pay for the costs incurred by those who are not paying their medical bills and have no insurance. And when the pool of people with insurance is increased the costs are lower for the rest of us. And the individual states have the right to implement their own versions that meet the standards or go further than the ones set forth in the federal.
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Either way, he lied to the American people. He said he was not going to raise taxes back in 2008/2009, yet we are forced to purchase health insurance else we face a tax penalty. Either way, we are being forced to pay something.


Apparently you think having everybody take some measure of responsibility for their healthcare rather than having the insured pick up the costs for the uninsured, somehow magically raises your costs rather than reducing your costs.
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