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Old July 3rd, 2012, 09:10 AM   #1
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The Affordable Care Act has been passed by Congress, signed into law by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court . Now the GOP and their supporters still want to overturn or repeal it . Romney says if he elected on day one he will do repeal it also. So why after 4 decades of Roe v. Wade not one GOP President has made attempt on day one of their presidency to overturn Roe v. Wade. Why? Because the GOP knows that if they repeal it, overturn, or turn the law over to the states, they will no longer be able to hide behind it and use it as tool or weapon to persuade voters for their political gain.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 09:21 AM   #2
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I hope when it comes to town hall meetings and nationally televised debates between Obama and Romney, I hope the press pepper Romney with questions like:



"If you repeal Obama-care, how are the Americans going to have health insurance if they can afford it?"



"If you repeal Obama-care, how will the Americans be able to afford health insurance?"



"Do you think that repealing Obama-care is much easier done than said?"



I think the Democrats will like me if I don't vote for Romney, but vote for Obama instead. Romney needs to be reminded of the healthcare bill he created in his homestate of Massachusetts. Otherwise, he wouldn't know what the hell he is doing.
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The Affordable Care Act has been passed by Congress, signed into law by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court . Now the GOP and their supporters still want to overturn or repeal it . Romney says if he elected on day one he will do repeal it also. So why after 4 decades of Roe v. Wade not one GOP President has made attempt on day one of their presidency to overturn Roe v. Wade. Why? Because the GOP knows that if they repeal it, overturn, or turn the law over to the states, they will no longer be able to hide behind it and use it as tool or weapon to persuade voters for their political gain.




Or maybe because the President cannot repeal Supreme Court rulings! The most he could do is try to get the Constitution amended.



He can't repeal laws either, he can only try to persuade Congress to do so
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No, the Congress absolutely can repeal laws, even the ones that the SCOTUS has determined are Constitutional, duh. How about some study of American civics before you make incorrect statements, hmmm? Romeny is talking about having a majority and repealing it.
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No, the Congress absolutely can repeal laws, even the ones that the SCOTUS has determined are Constitutional, duh. How about some study of American civics before you make incorrect statements, hmmm? Romeny is talking about having a majority and repealing it.




Roe v Wade is not a law, it's a Supreme Court ruling.



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The Affordable Care Act has been passed by Congress, signed into law by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court . Now the GOP and their supporters still want to overturn or repeal it . Romney says if he elected on day one he will do repeal it also. So why after 4 decades of Roe v. Wade not one GOP President has made attempt on day one of their presidency to overturn Roe v. Wade. Why? Because the GOP knows that if they repeal it, overturn, or turn the law over to the states, they will no longer be able to hide behind it and use it as tool or weapon to persuade voters for their political gain.




Or maybe because the President cannot repeal Supreme Court rulings! The most he could do is try to get the Constitution amended.



He can't repeal laws either, he can only try to persuade Congress to do so
By your statement : congress or Romney can not repeal the healthcare act because it was ruled consitiutional by the Suprme Court. So why are they saying they can repeal it?
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No, the Congress absolutely can repeal laws, even the ones that the SCOTUS has determined are Constitutional, duh. How about some study of American civics before you make incorrect statements, hmmm? Romeny is talking about having a majority and repealing it.




Roe v Wade is not a law, it's a Supreme Court ruling.



Sit down before you make an even bigger fool of yourself
Both roe v wade and Affordable Care Act are laws that were challanged in the supreme court so they "RULED" on both of them so one can be repealed by the President ( Affordable Care Act Romney claims he can or his lying to the people)and one can not(Roe V Wade). Which way is it?
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The Affordable Care Act has been passed by Congress, signed into law by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court . Now the GOP and their supporters still want to overturn or repeal it . Romney says if he elected on day one he will do repeal it also. So why after 4 decades of Roe v. Wade not one GOP President has made attempt on day one of their presidency to overturn Roe v. Wade. Why? Because the GOP knows that if they repeal it, overturn, or turn the law over to the states, they will no longer be able to hide behind it and use it as tool or weapon to persuade voters for their political gain.


These are 2 different things, The US Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is a right, not so healthcare. The only thing the court did with the ACA is to determine that the tax mandate is constitutional, among other things, that is to say that congress could feasibly repeal or alter the legislation any way they want and send it back to the president.



I agree with you on abortion however, I am will to bet dollars to donuts most right wing fascist politicians who oppose a woman's right to choose would never want to see Roe go away due to it's polarizing political fallout.
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No, the Congress absolutely can repeal laws, even the ones that the SCOTUS has determined are Constitutional, duh. How about some study of American civics before you make incorrect statements, hmmm? Romeny is talking about having a majority and repealing it.


WT, I think gary said the President can not change laws - not congress.
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The Affordable Care Act has been passed by Congress, signed into law by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court . Now the GOP and their supporters still want to overturn or repeal it . Romney says if he elected on day one he will do repeal it also. So why after 4 decades of Roe v. Wade not one GOP President has made attempt on day one of their presidency to overturn Roe v. Wade. Why? Because the GOP knows that if they repeal it, overturn, or turn the law over to the states, they will no longer be able to hide behind it and use it as tool or weapon to persuade voters for their political gain.


These are 2 different things, The US Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is a right, not so healthcare. The only thing the court did with the ACA is to determine that the tax mandate is constitutional, among other things, that is to say that congress could feasibly repeal or alter the legislation any way they want and send it back to the president.



I agree with you on abortion however, I am will to bet dollars to donuts most right wing fascist politicians who oppose a woman's right to choose would never want to see Roe go away due to it's polarizing political fallout.


Roe v. Wade ruled that it was a violation of some conjured up right, never expressed or implied in the Constitution, hiding in the penumbra, that it was a violation of a woman's right to privacy under the 14th Amendment to deny her a federal right to abortion. here are two schools of thought on overturning Roe v. Wade: 1. moral reasons, which is not a good reason to overturn a Supreme Court decision. 2. it was just bad law. Overturning Roe v. Wade will not outlaw abortion, it will only turn it over to the states. And to clear up what Roe v. Wade means, its appeal would have nothing to do with a woman's right to choose, it would be because the federal government does not have the right to enforce it. It has to be tied to something in the enumerated powers, and it is not. It is just a matter of legal principles, but I know to some it is an emotional issue, but it is just a matter of right and wrong regarding the law, and I do oppose it on that principle.



Yes, the mandate was not ruled to be constitutional, as that would have been a Commerce Clause issue, which the court ducked, but only that they can tax you if you do not purchase insurance.



The reason that no GOP president has made an attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade is because it is a legal matter that will have to run its course through the court system. Actually, it does not even have to run its course. If a president wanted to apply the same method that Obama applied to the Defense of Marriage Act, by just deciding that he does not think it is constitutional and refuses to defend it, then all a president would have to do with Roe v. Wade is decide to not defend it if a lower court ruled it unconstitutional.
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