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Old July 18th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #1
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Though the drought has broken in Western Colorado, with the summer monsoon producing afternoon thunderstorms every day, I took a walk this morning to a favorite spot and saw numerous dead aspen trees. I had not been there this year. I was sad to see what I saw.



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U.S. drought biggest since 1956, climate agency says



The pool is closed in Warrenton, Missouri. Cattle ponds are drying up in Arkansas. Illinois is in danger of losing its corn crop.



Even the mighty Mississippi River is feeling low amid what the National Climatic Data Center reported Monday is the largest drought since the 1950s.



The center said about 55% of the country was in at least moderate short-term drought in June for the first time since December 1956, when 58% of the country was in a moderate to extreme drought.



The hot, dry weather in June, which ranked as the third-driest month nationally in at least 118 years, according to the center, made the problem worse. The portion of the country suffering from severe to extreme short-term drought dramatically expanded in June, up to nearly 33% from 23% the month before.



Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn called it a "natural disaster of epic proportions."



"We've never see a drought like this and we have to make sure we do something about it," he said, calling on Congress to expedite passage of the farm bill. Quinn said seven more counties will be designated Monday as disaster areas, in addition to 26 already on the list, and farmers can apply for federal relief funds.



In Arkansas -- where the National Drought Mitigation Center reported that ranchers are having to haul water for cattle because ponds have dried out and wells can't keep up with demands -- 83-year-old retired farmer Don Hudson said this is about the worst he's ever seen it.



"It's very brown right now, ain't no grass at all," he said. "We're still feeding hay because the cows aren't even going out to graze."



In all, 71% of the country was classified as abnormally dry or worse as of June, the climate agency said, citing data from the National Drought Mitigation Center at the University of Nebraska.



That's double one year ago, according to agency statistics.



The worst-hit areas are the southern to central Rockies, the central Plains states and the Ohio Valley, the National Climatic Data Center said.



The hot, dry weather has taken its toll on agriculture, with 38% of the corn planted in the leading 18-corn producing states reported in poor or very poor conditions this week, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The numbers are an increase of eight percentage points over last week and dramatically higher than last year at this time when it was just 11%.


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Climate Change any 1?


Don't you mean global warming?
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Climate Change any 1?


Don't you mean global warming?


Human and naturally caused climate change is a better description.
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1342646863' post='414685']

Climate Change any 1?


Don't you mean global warming?


Human and naturally caused climate change is a better description.

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I know I didn't cause it...so is it just natural???
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[quote name='Ocho' timestamp='1342671074' post='414769']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1342646863' post='414685']

Climate Change any 1?


Don't you mean global warming?


Human and naturally caused climate change is a better description.

[/quote]



I know I didn't cause it...so is it just natural???

[/quote]







One of the problems in assessing observed changes in the earth's climate is using an "either/or" approach. The observed changes are undeniable. At the same time, human beings have indeed increased the amount of CO2 and CH4, methane, in the atmosphere. Both gases reflect heat back toward the earth, or even sideways, that normally escapes into space.



However, evidence exists that the sun's output of energy may be increasing. Then, there are natural cycles that have been observed, cycles that affect temperature, cloud cover, and humidity.



The earth is overall heating up, land and ocean temperatures. No one cause is responsible, however, according to physics human activities have had an effect on this warming. Are they the primary effect? No one knows.
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[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1342673343' post='414775']

[quote name='Ocho' timestamp='1342671074' post='414769']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1342646863' post='414685']

Climate Change any 1?


Don't you mean global warming?


Human and naturally caused climate change is a better description.

[/quote]



I know I didn't cause it...so is it just natural???

[/quote]







One of the problems in assessing observed changes in the earth's climate is using an "either/or" approach. The observed changes are undeniable. At the same time, human beings have indeed increased the amount of CO2 and CH4, methane, in the atmosphere. Both gases reflect heat back toward the earth, or even sideways, that normally escapes into space.



However, evidence exists that the sun's output of energy may be increasing. Then, there are natural cycles that have been observed, cycles that affect temperature, cloud cover, and humidity.



The earth is overall heating up, land and ocean temperatures. No one cause is responsible, however, according to physics human activities have had an effect on this warming. Are they the primary effect? No one knows.

[/quote]



That was actually a really good response, one of the first honest ones I've ever heard. Thank you.
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[quote name='Ocho' timestamp='1342677619' post='414783']

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1342673343' post='414775']

[quote name='Ocho' timestamp='1342671074' post='414769']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1342646863' post='414685']

Climate Change any 1?


Don't you mean global warming?


Human and naturally caused climate change is a better description.

[/quote]



I know I didn't cause it...so is it just natural???

[/quote]







One of the problems in assessing observed changes in the earth's climate is using an "either/or" approach. The observed changes are undeniable. At the same time, human beings have indeed increased the amount of CO2 and CH4, methane, in the atmosphere. Both gases reflect heat back toward the earth, or even sideways, that normally escapes into space.



However, evidence exists that the sun's output of energy may be increasing. Then, there are natural cycles that have been observed, cycles that affect temperature, cloud cover, and humidity.



The earth is overall heating up, land and ocean temperatures. No one cause is responsible, however, according to physics human activities have had an effect on this warming. Are they the primary effect? No one knows.

[/quote]



That was actually a really good response, one of the first honest ones I've ever heard. Thank you.

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You're welcome.



Global warming or climate change is just another issue where both sides speak part of the truth, declare themselves 100 percent right, and the other side to be 100 percent wrong. Let the battle begin, and go on, and on.
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