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Old July 22nd, 2012, 06:10 AM   #1
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By 2014, all Americans will have to purchase health insurance. Individuals that currently have health insurance will be affected the least by the new health care laws. Low and moderate income individuals will receive assistance from the government in order to purchase insurance. Individuals that fail to purchase insurance will be subject to fines and penalties. The penalty would be roughly $95 in 2014 and rise to $695 in 2016. There will be a maximum cap on fines



this is Intimidation agenst our free will and i will never be forced to buy and keep

paying health care insurance agenst my will. and i will not pay the fines

by making it a law the gov is forceing its will on the people agenst the peoples will

and freedom



is it true that doctors can refuse treetnent for the ill that are not coverd by

healllth care. if it is true then the law that prevents doctors from refuseing

the care of a paitents then that got to mean that law was removed from

our protection. now you have to buy that protection or you dont get it

and be subject to fines and charges.... whats more is it dont cover eighty percent

of the medical and treetment bills. . .this is a form of dictatership
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I’ll second that motion.



The idea was doomed from the start. There were hundreds of different methods that could have been used to achieve the results they told us they wanted to achieve. But it turned out to be a pack of lies. They never wanted to “fix” healthcare at all, they just wanted more power and more money.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 07:32 AM   #3
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after doing nore reading on this i saw that those that dont make enought

a year to be requried to do tax every april will not get fined

but what can they do if you dont get health care insurance and refuse to pay fines

do they take everything you own do they put you in jail..

if this is true health care is a dcttarership law and its illeagle..

in school as a kid i never forgot this what i learned

one can not force another to give them money to buy somthing they dont want

do ypu remember that one?..
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Before the Republicans repeal Obamacare they should first repeal EMTALA:



The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986.



It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.



Amazing that nobody ever discusses the unconstitutional mandate Congress imposes on hospitals.



Of course that's "free" so we don't mind about that
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 12:51 PM   #5
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Before the Republicans repeal Obamacare they should first repeal EMTALA:



The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986.



It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.



Amazing that nobody ever discusses the unconstitutional mandate Congress imposes on hospitals.



Of course that's "free" so we don't mind about that




The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's perfect world if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."
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Originally Posted by gary' timestamp='1342980281' post='415493

Before the Republicans repeal Obamacare they should first repeal EMTALA:



The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986.



It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.



Amazing that nobody ever discusses the unconstitutional mandate Congress imposes on hospitals.



Of course that's "free" so we don't mind about that




The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's perfect world if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."


My perfect world includes some form of single-payer Universal Health Care so that nobody is turned away, nobody is driven into bankruptcy and everyone shares the cost of healthcare openly - not surreptitiously.



Instead of attacking me again, stick to the point:



Why does nobody complain about the unconstitutional mandate imposed on hospitals by Congress since 1986?
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 04:30 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by imaginethat' timestamp='1342990292' post='415520

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342980281' post='415493']

Before the Republicans repeal Obamacare they should first repeal EMTALA:



The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986.



It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.



Amazing that nobody ever discusses the unconstitutional mandate Congress imposes on hospitals.



Of course that's "free" so we don't mind about that


The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's perfect world if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."


My perfect world includes some form of single-payer Universal Health Care so that nobody is turned away, nobody is driven into bankruptcy and everyone shares the cost of healthcare openly - not surreptitiously.



Instead of attacking me again, stick to the point:



Why does nobody complain about the unconstitutional mandate imposed on hospitals by Congress since 1986?

[/quote]




The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's world
before it becomes perfect with a single-payer UHC system in which no one is turned away, if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."
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It’s become a crazy complex problem, but only because of the way all the rules evolved.



The original idea was for hospitals to take both paying customers and charity customers. The thinking was the percentage of charity customers would be small, which it was at one time. Also remember, many of these hospitals were run by religious organizations such as the Catholic church. Funds to build the hospitals and make up for any yearly shortfalls came from many sources. Some were local, some State and some from churches.



Over time, various government entities began imposing their rules on medical providers which made running hospitals increasingly more difficult. Today, of course, it has become such a muddled ball of confusion that it is nearly impossible to untangle.
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Originally Posted by gary' timestamp='1342999503' post='415538

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1342990292' post='415520']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342980281' post='415493']

Before the Republicans repeal Obamacare they should first repeal EMTALA:



The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986.



It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.



Amazing that nobody ever discusses the unconstitutional mandate Congress imposes on hospitals.



Of course that's "free" so we don't mind about that


The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's perfect world if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."





My perfect world includes some form of single-payer Universal Health Care so that nobody is turned away, nobody is driven into bankruptcy and everyone shares the cost of healthcare openly - not surreptitiously.



Instead of attacking me again, stick to the point:



Why does nobody complain about the unconstitutional mandate imposed on hospitals by Congress since 1986?

[/quote]




The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's world
before it becomes perfect with a single-payer UHC system in which no one is turned away, if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."

[/quote]





What on earth are you talking about?



In a Universal Health Care system no questions are asked about payment
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 06:21 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by imaginethat' timestamp='1343003440' post='415547

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342999503' post='415538']

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1342990292' post='415520']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342980281' post='415493']

Before the Republicans repeal Obamacare they should first repeal EMTALA:



The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986.



It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.



Amazing that nobody ever discusses the unconstitutional mandate Congress imposes on hospitals.



Of course that's "free" so we don't mind about that




The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's perfect world if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."





My perfect world includes some form of single-payer Universal Health Care so that nobody is turned away, nobody is driven into bankruptcy and everyone shares the cost of healthcare openly - not surreptitiously.



Instead of attacking me again, stick to the point:



Why does nobody complain about the unconstitutional mandate imposed on hospitals by Congress since 1986?

[/quote]




The scene: A person in a head-on collision is rushed to the emergency room. Transfusions must begin immediately.



"Sir, sir, I need to ask you one question before we try to save your life. Can you pay for this?"



In gary's world
before it becomes perfect with a single-payer UHC system in which no one is turned away, if the answer is no, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep his insurance premiums "more affordable."

[/quote]





What on earth are you talking about?



In a Universal Health Care system no questions are asked about payment


[/quote]



On earth, I'm talking about emergency room patients in gary's world before it - your world - becomes perfect with a single-payer UHC system in which no one is turned away, if the patient has no insurance and no ability to pay, the loser is shown the door, thus helping to keep your insurance premiums "more affordable."



You seemed concerned that nobody discusses the unconstitutional mandate Congress imposes on hospitals.



We're talking about it.



Btw, please quote from the Constitution, Article this and Section that, and explain how the mandate is unconstitutional.
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