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Old August 14th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #1
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I grew up about twenty minutes away from this school district. I am not saying that the government should have religious chains when making legislative decisions. Nor am I saying I would condone such behavior. However, getting this riled up about elementary songs is beyond ridiculous.



Once we lose the idea that we should have the freedom to do or say something and begin down that pathway of the freedom from what you personally do not like, we as a country are in trouble. I hope the Libtards in New York get their hopes and dreams of destroying another elementary school crushed.

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A national atheist group is demanding that a New York public school district remove songs from the curriculum of a music class because they feature the words "god" and "lord" in the lyrics, but the educators aren't backing down.

The Freedom from Religion Foundation has sent letters to the Shenendehowa Central Schools, in Clifton Park, N.Y., threatening legal action if the songs aren't removed from Okte Elementary School's curriculum. The possibly-religious songs include "Thank You for the World So Sweet," which says "Thank you God for everything," "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep," which says "I pray the Lord my soul to keep," "Michael Row your Boat Ashore" and "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands."


"They're going after little children over an innocent song."
- Bill Donohue, president of Catholic League



"This is not minor. It's predatory to conduct this toward a young, captive audience who would be truant if they didn't attend public school," Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, told FoxNews.com.

The organization sent a letter to Superintendent Oliver Robinson about the songs in June on behalf of a parent who complained. While the two groups communicated over the summer break, a third letter from the FRFF staff attorney arrived on Aug. 6, which warned of legal action.

School officials are standing firm, claiming the songs the kids are being taught are simply educational:

"None of the songs was taught, or used, as prayer. Thus, the case you cite dealing with school prayer is an inapposite...[the songs] were used appropriately to teach musical concepts," Kathryn McCary, the school district's attorney, said in letter mailed to the foundation.

Gaylor dismissed the argument, saying the songs don't have to be part of a prayer to violate the separation of church and state clause of the First Amendment.

"It doesn't matter that the devotional wasn't toward a specific religion. We've already been through this with another case that features prayer songs," she said.

Some religious organizations disagree.

"This would never stand a chance with the Supreme Court. They [FFRF] wants to censor the expressions of Christianity -- and they only go after the Christians, not the Jews or the Muslims. Now they're going after little children over an innocent song," Bill Donohue, president of Catholic League, told FoxNews.com. "I applaud the school district -- they've made a very cogent argument. If this goes to court, we need to teach them (FFRF) a lesson."

It looks like the complaint just might go through the rounds of the justice system.

"We have made it clear that we have a parent that is willing to take formal legal action in court," Gaylor said.





Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/14...#ixzz23YIEN2SU


Yes it's from FoxNews so I am sure the Liberal Progressives will negate the content of this article to nothing more than just right-wing hoopla. That's right, forget the message of the songs. Burn them at the stake because it uses one or two little words thats gives you a heart attack. When will the Aethists learn they are not the majority and cannot speak for us?
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I thought part of the reason for the development of religion-specific schools was to allow families the opportunity to incorporate their religious beliefs into their child(rens) education within all aspects of the cirriculum. I don't see the reason for choosing Christian specific songs for a music class within a public school. This isn't about the use of these songs as prayer, that sounds like an excuse to use Christian-oriented songs as a part of the lesson plan. There are literally thousands of elementary songs the class could incorporate that don't have a religious focus. The Disney channel and PBS do it every day. Citing the intention to "teach muscial concepts" does not explain the necessity to teach those concepts with songs of a religious-nature.



All I'm saying is why? I'd like to see an explanation of the personal and professional reasons for why these songs are so important to teach a public school music class?
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The only thing I will negate is the claim that only The Christian music would be targeted.....I need to see proof of that I guess, but I agree, this is getting ridiculous. If parents aren't complaining, then this should be left alone in my opinion.
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I thought part of the reason for the development of religion-specific schools was to allow families the opportunity to incorporate their religious beliefs into their child(rens) education within all aspects of the cirriculum. I don't see the reason for choosing Christian specific songs for a music class within a public school. This isn't about the use of these songs as prayer, that sounds like an excuse to use Christian-oriented songs as a part of the lesson plan. There are literally thousands of elementary songs the class could incorporate that don't have a religious focus. The Disney channel and PBS do it every day. Citing the intention to "teach muscial concepts" does not explain the necessity to teach those concepts with songs of a religious-nature.



All I'm saying is why? I'd like to see an explanation of the personal and professional reasons for why these songs are so important to teach a public school music class?


Do you ever sing "whole world in his hands" when you were in grade school? I know I did, and it have little to no effect on my religious beliefs(positive or negative)
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I thought part of the reason for the development of religion-specific schools was to allow families the opportunity to incorporate their religious beliefs into their child(rens) education within all aspects of the cirriculum. I don't see the reason for choosing Christian specific songs for a music class within a public school. This isn't about the use of these songs as prayer, that sounds like an excuse to use Christian-oriented songs as a part of the lesson plan. There are literally thousands of elementary songs the class could incorporate that don't have a religious focus. The Disney channel and PBS do it every day. Citing the intention to "teach muscial concepts" does not explain the necessity to teach those concepts with songs of a religious-nature.



All I'm saying is why? I'd like to see an explanation of the personal and professional reasons for why these songs are so important to teach a public school music class?


Do you ever sing "whole world in his hands" when you were in grade school? I know I did, and it have little to no effect on my religious beliefs(positive or negative)


Yes, I did back in the early seventies when everyone in my class was either Irish or Italian Catholic for the most part.....society changes, now there are more than just 2 religions in this country.
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I thought part of the reason for the development of religion-specific schools was to allow families the opportunity to incorporate their religious beliefs into their child(rens) education within all aspects of the cirriculum. I don't see the reason for choosing Christian specific songs for a music class within a public school. This isn't about the use of these songs as prayer, that sounds like an excuse to use Christian-oriented songs as a part of the lesson plan. There are literally thousands of elementary songs the class could incorporate that don't have a religious focus. The Disney channel and PBS do it every day. Citing the intention to "teach muscial concepts" does not explain the necessity to teach those concepts with songs of a religious-nature.



All I'm saying is why? I'd like to see an explanation of the personal and professional reasons for why these songs are so important to teach a public school music class?


Do you ever sing "whole world in his hands" when you were in grade school? I know I did, and it have little to no effect on my religious beliefs(positive or negative)


I was in elementary school during the early to mid-90s. We mainly played instruments, listened to disney soundtracks, and sang in choir. The music we sang in choir throughout elementary school was a mixture of broadway, popular "mainstream" music, and sometimes theme songs from television shows (like Friends). In 2nd and 3rd grade, the music teacher played a show-n-tell kind of game where we could bring a cd from home and share a song or two with our classmates. No child ever used their turn to play religious music. The Spice Girls and various boy bands were quite popular, also some country music. I remember bringing my Shania Twain cd and dancing around with my peers.



I don't know how music class was conducted back in the 70s and 80s, but in the 90s public schools were pretty secular in regaard to the what was incorprated into the cirriculum. During the holidays, we only sang songs about winter and snow. This year, the school district in my area discontinued the use of the word halloween for parties and dances. Now, they use the words like harvest, autumn, and fall in order to respect the feelings of the Christian parents who find the holiday offensive.
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I thought part of the reason for the development of religion-specific schools was to allow families the opportunity to incorporate their religious beliefs into their child(rens) education within all aspects of the cirriculum. I don't see the reason for choosing Christian specific songs for a music class within a public school. This isn't about the use of these songs as prayer, that sounds like an excuse to use Christian-oriented songs as a part of the lesson plan. There are literally thousands of elementary songs the class could incorporate that don't have a religious focus. The Disney channel and PBS do it every day. Citing the intention to "teach muscial concepts" does not explain the necessity to teach those concepts with songs of a religious-nature.



All I'm saying is why? I'd like to see an explanation of the personal and professional reasons for why these songs are so important to teach a public school music class?


Do you ever sing "whole world in his hands" when you were in grade school? I know I did, and it have little to no effect on my religious beliefs(positive or negative)


I was in elementary school during the early to mid-90s. We mainly played instruments, listened to disney soundtracks, and sang in choir. The music we sang in choir throughout elementary school was a mixture of broadway, popular "mainstream" music, and sometimes theme songs from television shows (like Friends). In 2nd and 3rd grade, the music teacher played a show-n-tell kind of game where we could bring a cd from home and share a song or two with our classmates. No child ever used their turn to play religious music. The Spice Girls and various boy bands were quite popular, also some country music. I remember bringing my Shania Twain cd and dancing around with my peers.



I don't know how music class was conducted back in the 70s and 80s, but in the 90s public schools were pretty secular in regaard to the what was incorprated into the cirriculum. During the holidays, we only sang songs about winter and snow. This year, the school district in my area discontinued the use of the word halloween for parties and dances. Now, they use the words like harvest, autumn, and fall in order to respect the feelings of the Christian parents who find the holiday offensive.

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Broadway? That's really gay....but seriously, and usually personal anecdotes don't fly with me as proof of anything, so I say that first before I say this.....I live in one of the most LIBERAL counties in America, Alameda County in Northern California across The SF Bay from SF. I know people who are teachers in the town of Alameda, and even THEY are sick and tired of the political correctness around Christmas and Christmas songs, and Halloween and everything. These are all out flower children elementary school Gaia Earth Mother teachers who are saying this.
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[quote name='XanderCrews' timestamp='1344975935' post='420877']

I thought part of the reason for the development of religion-specific schools was to allow families the opportunity to incorporate their religious beliefs into their child(rens) education within all aspects of the cirriculum. I don't see the reason for choosing Christian specific songs for a music class within a public school. This isn't about the use of these songs as prayer, that sounds like an excuse to use Christian-oriented songs as a part of the lesson plan. There are literally thousands of elementary songs the class could incorporate that don't have a religious focus. The Disney channel and PBS do it every day. Citing the intention to "teach muscial concepts" does not explain the necessity to teach those concepts with songs of a religious-nature.



All I'm saying is why? I'd like to see an explanation of the personal and professional reasons for why these songs are so important to teach a public school music class?


Do you ever sing "whole world in his hands" when you were in grade school? I know I did, and it have little to no effect on my religious beliefs(positive or negative)


I was in elementary school during the early to mid-90s. We mainly played instruments, listened to disney soundtracks, and sang in choir. The music we sang in choir throughout elementary school was a mixture of broadway, popular "mainstream" music, and sometimes theme songs from television shows (like Friends). In 2nd and 3rd grade, the music teacher played a show-n-tell kind of game where we could bring a cd from home and share a song or two with our classmates. No child ever used their turn to play religious music. The Spice Girls and various boy bands were quite popular, also some country music. I remember bringing my Shania Twain cd and dancing around with my peers.



I don't know how music class was conducted back in the 70s and 80s, but in the 90s public schools were pretty secular in regaard to the what was incorprated into the cirriculum. During the holidays, we only sang songs about winter and snow. This year, the school district in my area discontinued the use of the word halloween for parties and dances. Now, they use the words like harvest, autumn, and fall in order to respect the feelings of the Christian parents who find the holiday offensive.

[/quote]



Broadway? That's really gay....but seriously, and usually personal anecdotes don't fly with me as proof of anything, so I say that first before I say this.....I live in one of the most LIBERAL counties in America, Alameda County in Northern California across The SF Bay from SF. I know people who are teachers in the town of Alameda, and even THEY are sick and tired of the political correctness around Christmas and Christmas songs, and Halloween and everything. These are all out flower children elementary school Gaia Earth Mother teachers who are saying this.

[/quote]



I remember being absolutely crushed when the school no longer allowed for an actual Halloween party. 3rd grade we paraded around in our costumes to classic halloween songs. 4th grade they wouldn't give us candy and forbide us from wearing costumes. These days, schools are even getting rid of any Santa references from school activities.
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[quote name='Danjb25' timestamp='1344977220' post='420889']

[quote name='XanderCrews' timestamp='1344975935' post='420877']

I thought part of the reason for the development of religion-specific schools was to allow families the opportunity to incorporate their religious beliefs into their child(rens) education within all aspects of the cirriculum. I don't see the reason for choosing Christian specific songs for a music class within a public school. This isn't about the use of these songs as prayer, that sounds like an excuse to use Christian-oriented songs as a part of the lesson plan. There are literally thousands of elementary songs the class could incorporate that don't have a religious focus. The Disney channel and PBS do it every day. Citing the intention to "teach muscial concepts" does not explain the necessity to teach those concepts with songs of a religious-nature.



All I'm saying is why? I'd like to see an explanation of the personal and professional reasons for why these songs are so important to teach a public school music class?


Do you ever sing "whole world in his hands" when you were in grade school? I know I did, and it have little to no effect on my religious beliefs(positive or negative)


I was in elementary school during the early to mid-90s. We mainly played instruments, listened to disney soundtracks, and sang in choir. The music we sang in choir throughout elementary school was a mixture of broadway, popular "mainstream" music, and sometimes theme songs from television shows (like Friends). In 2nd and 3rd grade, the music teacher played a show-n-tell kind of game where we could bring a cd from home and share a song or two with our classmates. No child ever used their turn to play religious music. The Spice Girls and various boy bands were quite popular, also some country music. I remember bringing my Shania Twain cd and dancing around with my peers.



I don't know how music class was conducted back in the 70s and 80s, but in the 90s public schools were pretty secular in regaard to the what was incorprated into the cirriculum. During the holidays, we only sang songs about winter and snow. This year, the school district in my area discontinued the use of the word halloween for parties and dances. Now, they use the words like harvest, autumn, and fall in order to respect the feelings of the Christian parents who find the holiday offensive.

[/quote]



Broadway? That's really gay....but seriously, and usually personal anecdotes don't fly with me as proof of anything, so I say that first before I say this.....I live in one of the most LIBERAL counties in America, Alameda County in Northern California across The SF Bay from SF. I know people who are teachers in the town of Alameda, and even THEY are sick and tired of the political correctness around Christmas and Christmas songs, and Halloween and everything. These are all out flower children elementary school Gaia Earth Mother teachers who are saying this.

[/quote]



I remember being absolutely crushed when the school no longer allowed for an actual Halloween party. 3rd grade we paraded around in our costumes to classic halloween songs. 4th grade they wouldn't give us candy and forbide us from wearing costumes. These days, schools are even getting rid of any Santa references from school activities.

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Well it works both ways doesn't it....I mean Halloween could be viewed as a religious holiday. I had a burnt again Christian friend in school who was not allowed to watch Bewitched or I Dream of Jeannie because they were considered occult. Wasn't there also an evangelical backlash against Harry Potter?
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Schools need to mandate the singing of gay white jewish devil slave-master songs in the schools.
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