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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:10 AM   #1
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For conservatives, the demise of Hostess Brands, perhaps best known for making Twinkies, is a story about union workers going on strike and forcing a business to close its doors forever.

For those concerned with the facts, a very different picture emerges. Forbes' Helaine Olen had a good piece on this the other day.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #2
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For conservatives, the demise of Hostess Brands, perhaps best known for making Twinkies, is a story about union workers going on strike and forcing a business to close its doors forever.

For those concerned with the facts, a very different picture emerges. Forbes' Helaine Olen had a good piece on this the other day.


Well, the public should probably damn the greedy overpaid execs for the downfall of Hostess, shouldn't it?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:40 AM   #3
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This search for news' articles to match how I think the real world should be is almost too easy.



Unions Knew Strike Would Destroy Hostess



Unions Kill Hostess



Blame Unions for Hostess Bankruptcy



Unions Blamed for Hostess Demise
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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:01 AM   #4
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This search for news' articles to match how I think the real world should be is almost too easy.



Unions Knew Strike Would Destroy Hostess



Unions Kill Hostess



Blame Unions for Hostess Bankruptcy



Unions Blamed for Hostess Demise
The problem being the truth is that the union didn't destroy anything, as the evidence clearly shows, and the voters in states such as Wisconsin and Ohio who overwhelmingly overturned anti union laws have also shown the American people aren't buying into the union is the problem meme. It looks like you aren't very successful in selling your real world narrative. Poor management, and in some cases criminal activity, and blatant unethical business practices by poor management is always the reason businesses fail. In the case of Hostess, not only was the business profitable, but the actions of venture capitalists ( read: vulture capitalists ), and the unethical practice of the owner giving himself a raise, while the workers took cuts just days before entering bankruptcy court, is more than proof positive of that fact. The court should deny the owners relief of that debt, and force them to pay for it out of their own pocket. In fact every business that engages in this practice that files for bankruptcy should be denied any relief by the courts, as this would stop these unethical and in some cases criminal actions by these business owners, and force them to either get their act together or sell the business to someone who does.
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We don't call facts "things that I found to match how I think the real world should be". It is the way that it is. Actual facts. They matter. And this case proves that the executives were clearly at fault for this.
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We don't call facts "things that I found to match how I think the real world should be". It is the way that it is. Actual facts. They matter. And this case proves that the executives were clearly at fault for this.
Exactly, and if the court allows this to go through, it will set a precedent allowing business owners to essentially steal any profits from the business, while putting the cost of the bankrupt assets on the taxpayers an hour before they file for bankruptcy. It will also set the precedent that the average person can max out their credit cards an hour before going into court to file for relief. The courts must set the precedent that as long as their is one dollar of profit on the books, that money must go towards the debt before any relief would be granted. It would send the chilling message to these business owners that you can file for bankruptcy if you want to, but you aren't getting out of it with as much as a nickel in your pocket. Watch how fast these business owners would figure out a way to show just how profitable their businesses really were in the first place.
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I am still more interested in the lies in the Maddow article; you know, the facts. Now who is the CEO of Hostess, and how much does he make? And how much do the top 4 executives make?
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Lies? Please prove your claims about the information in Maddow's article being lies. I'll wait.
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Lies? Please prove your claims about the information in Maddow's article being lies. I'll wait.
I'll wait until my questions are answered.
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Please do. You won't get the answers from me. I don't accept assignments. If you want to know those things, look them up yourself. If you are claiming that something is a lie, then you must back it up with evidence. otherwise, you are merely wasting your time.
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