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Old May 15th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #31
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Like many others who do not understand science you do not understand what the word "theory" means when it comes to science.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.





You also do not understand the difference between theism/atheism and Gnosticism/agnosticism

Theism/Atheism deals with the BELIEF in God.....If you believe in God (regardless whether or not you KNOW God) then you are a theist...if you do not believe in a god (regardless whether or not you know this for a fact) then you are an atheist.

Gnosticism/Agnosticism deals with KNOWLEDGE of God....if you have KNOWLEDGE of God (regardless if you believe in him or not) then you are a Gnostic...if you do not have knowledge of God (regardless of whether your believe in him or not) then you are agnostic.

I have no knowledge of god and I do not believe one exists...that makes me an agnostic atheist.

A person without knowledge of god but believes on exists is an agnostic theist.
Oh good grief do I have to go into explaining the definition of "theory" "agnosticism/gnosticism" and "atheism/theism" AGAIN to the guy who still don't understand the meaning of the words "faith" and "morals" ?

Do yourself and me a favor and just use a dictionary, and try to understand it. And if you want to argue with me on definitions then post these definitions in your arguments and see if there even would be an argument.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #33
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Like many others who do not understand science you do not understand what the word "theory" means when it comes to science.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.





You also do not understand the difference between theism/atheism and Gnosticism/agnosticism

Theism/Atheism deals with the BELIEF in God.....If you believe in God (regardless whether or not you KNOW God) then you are a theist...if you do not believe in a god (regardless whether or not you know this for a fact) then you are an atheist.

Gnosticism/Agnosticism deals with KNOWLEDGE of God....if you have KNOWLEDGE of God (regardless if you believe in him or not) then you are a Gnostic...if you do not have knowledge of God (regardless of whether your believe in him or not) then you are agnostic.

I have no knowledge of god and I do not believe one exists...that makes me an agnostic atheist.

A person without knowledge of god but believes on exists is an agnostic theist.
it is an explination..


Obama gave us an Explanation of Benghazi.. but does that make it fact? no

you notice that Creationist have no problem with all Theorues being discussed, studied and offered.

Rectionary Athiest, want one possiblity SILENCED.

This is a difference in Science, and Zielots. There was a time that Zeilots held back discussion of theories in the religious community.. they are no less evil than those that want to silence the possiblity of a Creator.
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Oh good grief do I have to go into explaining the definition of "theory" "agnosticism/gnosticism" and "atheism/theism" AGAIN to the guy who still don't understand the meaning of the words "faith" and "morals" ?

Do yourself and me a favor and just use a dictionary, and try to understand it. And if you want to argue with me on definitions then post these definitions in your arguments and see if there even would be an argument.
You can't discuss the definition of "theory" "agnosticism/Gnosticism" or "theism/atheism" since you have just shown you don't know what they are.
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it is an explination..


Obama gave us an Explanation of Benghazi.. but does that make it fact? no

you notice that Creationist have no problem with all Theorues being discussed, studied and offered.

Rectionary Athiest, want one possiblity SILENCED.

This is a difference in Science, and Zielots. There was a time that Zeilots held back discussion of theories in the religious community.. they are no less evil than those that want to silence the possiblity of a Creator.
I don't want creationism "silenced" I just don't want it taught in science class because....surprise, surprise...it isn't science.
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it is an explination..


Obama gave us an Explanation of Benghazi.. but does that make it fact? no

you notice that Creationist have no problem with all Theorues being discussed, studied and offered.

Rectionary Athiest, want one possiblity SILENCED.

This is a difference in Science, and Zielots. There was a time that Zeilots held back discussion of theories in the religious community.. they are no less evil than those that want to silence the possiblity of a Creator.
The difficulty is, how does one apply the methods of science to somehow demonstrate the possibility of a so-called Creator?

This seems to me to be a scientifically untestable hypothesis.
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The difficulty is, how does one apply the methods of science to somehow demonstrate the possibility of a so-called Creator?

This seems to me to be a scientifically untestable hypothesis.
I agree that god is a scientifically untestable hypothesis.

However the accuracy of the book that followers claim is the inerrant word of a god IS scientifically testable.

And if even ONE thing proves to be wrong...then that seriously calls into question the existence of the unerring, omnipotent god that the followers claim the book proves.

Even though the famous saying holds true, "Absence of proof is not proof of absence"....Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence...it just isn't proof of absence.

If I claim to have bought a winning lottery ticket....and you don't know me from Adam...then we can put the odds of my actually having that ticket at about 50/50....If you then search me, search my car, search my house, search my place of work and find no evidence of the lottery ticket then you would put lower odds as to whether or not this lottery ticket actually exists...the more thorough and extensive the search the lower the odds of my actually having bought the ticket.

If the ticket fails to turn up after search, after search, after search you will eventually reach a point where you will conclude that I actually do not have the ticket...despite not being able to "prove" that I don't have the ticket.
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The difficulty is, how does one apply the methods of science to somehow demonstrate the possibility of a so-called Creator?

This seems to me to be a scientifically untestable hypothesis.
How do they apply scientific methods to show, that the universe is an accident.

They cannot.. on either side..

Both sides are based on Faith.. 1 has faith in a Creator, the other has faith in accidental occurance..

So what you do is you teach both.. (you can do this and not favor any faith.. or push for the belief in any specific creator) you just present both possiblities.
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You can't discuss the definition of "theory" "agnosticism/Gnosticism" or "theism/atheism" since you have just shown you don't know what they are.
Really? Do you care to try to PROVE that I have shown this?

Why don't you go ahead and prove that I don't know "theory" and "agnosticism/gnosticims" "atheism/theism" or "faith" and "morals" for that matter.
Or is your inability to do so a PROOF that you don't know what you are talking about?

Please humor me, this ought to be entertaining. Remember you said that I have just SHOWN this, so I don't need to make any response in regard to this argument.
All you have to do is SHOW the world what I have SHOWN you, and explain how it PROVES that I CAN'T discuss the definition

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How do they apply scientific methods to show, that the universe is an accident.

They cannot.. on either side..

Both sides are based on Faith.. 1 has faith in a Creator, the other has faith in accidental occurance..

So what you do is you teach both.. (you can do this and not favor any faith.. or push for the belief in any specific creator) you just present both possiblities.
No one is attempting to "prove" the universe was an "accident"

It is those that claim that the universe was "intelligently designed" that have to offer proof.

For all I know the universe is just a program running in a giant computer...or maybe the universe is all in my head and everything is just a figment of my imagination.

But until proof is given for ANY cause, then there is no reason to believe any of them.

But as far as the Christian god goes....the book that supposedly his inerrant word is chock FULL of errors...that alone doesn't disprove god...but it makes the likelihood of his existence pretty damn small.
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