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Old April 15th, 2013, 08:54 AM   #31
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It is a process that includes a doctor's finding given to a court, that determine that one is mentally unfit. To be adjudicated as mentally unfit is not really a difficult thing to grasp the meaning of and if it is, simply look into it and you will be astonished at how much information you will find about the process and how it is defined.
Grasping the meaning is elementary of you understand, if not, then it is rather esoteric. If you do not understand, and make the following statement because of something you read on the internet, then attempt to backtrack with a different statement in hopes that it will override the first, then a lack of understanding is the key phrase:
You have to have been adjudicated by a doctor. What don't you understand about that?
Here is what I understand about that: no one on the planet would make the statement that a doctor could adjudicate someone and think they should be afforded any credibility.

I think I will pass on being astonished by how it is defined on some website by looking into it since I know the law the clause is based upon in the bill:
§ 478.11 Act. 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44

Adjudicated as a mental defective. (a) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:
(1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or
(2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.
(b) The term shall include—
(1) A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and
(2) Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:12 AM   #32
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Well, I'd start out with someone who called those who want Gun Laws in this nation to insure background checks on the sale of all guns as "gun grabbers" to start with.

I think the mental health community pretty much has those who would be incompetent or at risk for having a gun and using a gun. don't you?

These attempts by the right to shut down any common sense discussion of gun control laws is getting pretty lame.
Isn't it interesting that the government tells us we should not judge Muslim's for what a few CRAZIES do but, gun-owners should be judged for what a few crazies do? Although I'm for background checks up to a point, I can't help but have mixed feeling on this issue. This government will use any device possible to attack the 2nd Amendment. Along with the Constitutional right to bear arms is the natural right to protect one's self and family from those who will bypass the law and obtain guns illegally.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:40 AM   #33
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Grasping the meaning is elementary of you understand, if not, then it is rather esoteric. If you do not understand, and make the following statement because of something you read on the internet, then attempt to backtrack with a different statement in hopes that it will override the first, then a lack of understanding is the key phrase:
You have to have been adjudicated by a doctor. What don't you understand about that?
Here is what I understand about that: no one on the planet would make the statement that a doctor could adjudicate someone and think they should be afforded any credibility.

I think I will pass on being astonished by how it is defined on some website by looking into it since I know the law the clause is based upon in the bill:
§ 478.11 Act. 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44

Adjudicated as a mental defective. (a) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:
(1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or
(2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.
(b) The term shall include—
(1) A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and
(2) Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.
What your problem is, is that you cannot grasp the fact that it is a doctor who is the one who informs the court of their findings, the entire thing is based on those findings. DUUUH. But again, you are going to try to start a fight over some imagined misunderstanding that I have over what it means to be adjudicated as mentally unfit. Don't waste your time. I already explained it and was not wrong. Move on or face consequences.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:41 AM   #34
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Isn't it interesting that the government tells us we should not judge Muslim's for what a few CRAZIES do but, gun-owners should be judged for what a few crazies do? Although I'm for background checks up to a point, I can't help but have mixed feeling on this issue. This government will use any device possible to attack the 2nd Amendment. Along with the Constitutional right to bear arms is the natural right to protect one's self and family from those who will bypass the law and obtain guns illegally.
And those who try to buy a gun and are prohibited from doing so legally are the only ones that background checks are going to prevent from buying guns. Background checks are not gun control.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #35
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What your problem is, is that you cannot grasp the fact that it is a doctor who is the one who informs the court of their findings, the entire thing is based on those findings. DUUUH. But again, you are going to try to start a fight over some imagined misunderstanding that I have over what it means to be adjudicated as mentally unfit. Don't waste your time. I already explained it and was not wrong. Move on or face consequences.
What consequences? You have me trembling.

The problem is that you regurgitate what you read from some website: "You have to have been adjudicated by a doctor. What don't you understand about that?"

Which is a comically incorrect statement. It is not a matter of semantics, intent, or a misunderstanding; it is a statement made out of a complete lack of knowledge of the legal system. I corrected the statement after your usual aggressive and provocative statement. Why don't you rather than move on, refrain from making posts about subjects that are alien to you?
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You assume much and know very little. I don't need to look up anything as I already know the legal process of being declared as mentally unfit or adjudicated as mentally unfit. Again, stop with this and remain on the topic of what it is and not what you think I was saying it was, which I wasn't. Move on.
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I think if you're under the impression that the Teletubbies are sending you secret messages via brain waves, that you have to save the world by slaying evil lizard aliens who are disguised as humans -- you should probably not have a firearm.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 10:37 AM   #38
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NY State just ruled a person mentally ill confiscated his firearms this was ruled by a police Chief.. ..

NO HEARING.... no trial, no judge no Doctor No Physicians assistant, not even a nurse,

The State said he was mentally ill raided his house..

So apparently you are mistaken.

You live in NJ. what happens if Governor Christie decides you are not quite right in the head.. .. The left is now saying your children are not yours they are belong to the state.

they take your guns, they take your kids.. ... what next..
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What consequences? You have me trembling.

The problem is that you regurgitate what you read from some website: "You have to have been adjudicated by a doctor. What don't you understand about that?"

Which is a comically incorrect statement. It is not a matter of semantics, intent, or a misunderstanding; it is a statement made out of a complete lack of knowledge of the legal system. I corrected the statement after your usual aggressive and provocative statement. Why don't you rather than move on, refrain from making posts about subjects that are alien to you?
Your link to the fact that mental illness can legally be proclaimed on a person without a doctor's diagnosis. I'd love to see that website you are using.
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Anyone who looks like this http://media.thedenverchannel.com/ph....0_320_240.jpg or like this, http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201..._2_244x183.jpg, or is a gang-banger. As far as Chicago goes 95% of the shootings are committed by Blacks and Mexicans. My doesn't that sound racist, no it's just the truth. No PC bull shit.
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