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Old July 5th, 2013, 08:22 PM   #1
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Wake Up Calls ... Wherever You Look

What intelligence whistleblowers like Edward Snowden and others have revealed about the scale of human surveillance worldwide was not a revelation to me. Research these subjects at any length and to any depth and you will know that there are two worlds, the seen and the unseen, operating in the same ‘space’ while masquerading as one.

First there is the world that humanity in general experiences as the seen. This is where governments are chosen by the ballot box through something called ‘democracy’ and from this come laws and regulations that apply to everyone, including governments, intelligence agencies, law enforcement, military, and so on.

This world doesn’t really exist in any form except in theory and the structure of government and ‘democracy’ in all its expressions is there to control the population, not to hold itself to account. The ‘laws’ apply only to the ‘little people’, with increasingly rare exceptions, while the other world does as it likes.

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Old July 5th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #2
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Why has Obama gone so BAT Crap crazy wanting to spy on everyone?
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Old July 5th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #3
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You are correct the patriot act 1 was a bad law.

only one problem with Patriot Act 1.. it only applied to INTERNATIONAL CALLS, even then it was only INTERNATIONAL CALLS to countries with a history of TERROIST TIES.

Obama is MONITORING DOMESTIC CALLS.

do you know the difference in INTERNATIONAL and DOMESTIC...


If you were not calling Saudi Arabia Bush was not listening (IMO without cause should not have been then)

Now when you call Grandmaw down the street.. Obama is listening.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 05:56 AM   #5
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You are correct the patriot act 1 was a bad law.

only one problem with Patriot Act 1.. it only applied to INTERNATIONAL CALLS, even then it was only INTERNATIONAL CALLS to countries with a history of TERROIST TIES.

Obama is MONITORING DOMESTIC CALLS.

do you know the difference in INTERNATIONAL and DOMESTIC...


If you were not calling Saudi Arabia Bush was not listening (IMO without cause should not have been then)

Now when you call Grandmaw down the street.. Obama is listening.
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The act, as a response to the terrorist attacks of September 11th, significantly weakened restrictions on law enforcement agencies' gathering of intelligence within the United States; expanded the Secretary of the Treasury’s authority to regulate financial transactions, particularly those involving foreign individuals and entities; and broadened the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities in detaining and deporting immigrants suspected of terrorism-related acts. The act also expanded the definition of terrorism to include domestic terrorism, thus enlarging the number of activities to which the USA PATRIOT Act’s expanded law enforcement powers can be applied.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 06:11 AM   #6
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It was all Obama was it ?

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. Bush: Snowden ‘damaged the security of the country’

The security of the United States has been compromised due to the recent disclosure of documents pertaining to secretive government-run surveillance programs, former president George W. Bush told CNN in an interview set to air Monday.

Bush, the two-term president who authorized the National Security Agency spy programs as a counterterrorism tool shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks, told CNN that the recent leaks attributed to 30-year-old former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden have hurt the US.

“I think he damaged the security of the country,” Bush said of Snowden’s leaks.

The remark, made in an interview with CNN’s Erin Burnett while the former president was visiting Africa, is not scheduled to air until Monday afternoon. In a snippet already available on the Web, however, viewers can see Mr. Bush open up about the NSA scandal for the first time since The Guardian newspaper began publishing documents provided by Snowden.

Since The Guardian’s initial report on June 6, that paper and others have sporadically published additional proof of the NSA’s widespread practices started under President Bush and continued under President Barack Obama that have placed the everyday Internet and phone habits of millions of Americans and others under the microscope of the federal government.

President Obama and members of both his administration and the Bush White House have repeatedly defended the surveillance programs in the wake of the first exposé published by the newspaper, notwithstanding accusations brought by the likes of Congress and concerned citizens alike that the government has committed vast constitutional violations by infringing on Fourth Amendment-guaranteed protections from unlawful search and seizure.

Speaking to CNN, Bush not only condemned Snowden’s actions but defended the surveillance policies he signed off on more than a decade earlier.

“I put that program in place to protect the country,” Bush said. “One of the certainties was that civil liberties were guaranteed.”


“The authorization I gave the National Security Agency after September the Eleventh helped address that problem in a way that is fully consistent with my constitutional responsibilities and authorities,” Bush said at the time.

“This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists,” he added, calling it “critical to saving American lives.”

“The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties. And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I'm the President of the United States,” Bush said.

Now as more is learned due to Snowden’s disclosures, the practices of both the Bush and Obama administrations are under attack. The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit against the Obama administration last month accusing the White House of denying them a “reasonable expectation of privacy, free speech and association, right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures and due process rights,” and the current commander-in-chief has previously resorted to making remarks similar to the latest quips courtesy of Mr. Bush in order to defend the NSA’s habits.

“In the abstract you can complain about Big Brother and how this is a potential program run amok, but when you actually look at the details then I think we’ve struck the right balance,” Pres. Obama said last month.

Speaking to CNN, Mr. Bush said, “I think there needs to be a balance, and as the president explained, there is a proper balance.”

Bush isn’t the first from a major figure from Washington to remark about an alleged security breach in the wake of Snowden’s disclosures, either. NSA Director Keith Alexander said previously that “Our security is jeopardized” due to the leak. Michael Hayden, who served as director of the NSA under both President Bush and Obama, told RT previously that Snowden’s “commitment to absolute transparency has created great harm to the security of people around the world.”

Adding to CNN, Bush said he thinks Obama “will deal” with the fallout of the leaks properly. Snowden has been indicted with counts of espionage and could spend decades in prison if extradited to the US and convicted during trial. He is currently reported to be in Moscow, Russia.

In only the three weeks since The Guardian first revealed that telephony metadata was being collected on a widespread scale, new leaks — including those published as recently as this weekend — have exposed how the NSA taps into the servers of major Internet companies and conducts surveillance targeting foreign consulates and missions. Glenn Greenwald, the American journalist who first reported on the leaked documents, said that Snowden had archived “thousands” of files of which he believed “dozens” were newsworthy. Greenwald added that precautions have been taken to ensure that documents would continue to be leaked should either of the men’s safety become compromised, and on Monday he wrote on Twitter that “Snowden's leak is basically done.”
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Aw Jesus, Camelot, here you go bashing Bush again.....

Seriously, the quotes you highlighted are great examples of the particular brand of 1984 Newspeak uttered 2001-2013.

And for certain groups of people, saying, "We're taking away your liberties and rights to protect your liberties and rights. We'll end these invasive practices ... sometime in the future ... probably ... you can count on that ... God Bless America," works. Every time.

If an R president utters that nonsense, Rs enthusiastically lap it up and defend doing it, and if a D is president and utters that nonsense, the Ds lap it up and defend doing it.

Meanwhile, the wake-up calls go unanswered, 'cause the Ds and the Rs can't get enough of fighting with and demonizing each other.
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Aw Jesus, Camelot, here you go bashing Bush again.....

Seriously, the quotes you highlighted are great examples of the particular brand of 1984 Newspeak uttered 2001-2013.

And for certain groups of people, saying, "We're taking away your liberties and rights to protect your liberties and rights. We'll end these invasive practices ... sometime in the future ... probably ... you can count on that ... God Bless America," works. Every time.

If an R president utters that nonsense, Rs enthusiastically lap it up and defend doing it, and if a D is president and utters that nonsense, the Ds lap it up and defend doing it.

Meanwhile, the wake-up calls go unanswered, 'cause the Ds and the Rs can't get enough of fighting with and demonizing each other.
The mutual bashing may well serve a greater good...one completely understood by any wabibito. While D & R slug it out...a third party will waltz right by 'em!
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