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Old September 8th, 2013, 09:22 PM   #11
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We need to elect Sting as our POTUS because it seems we are to be the police for the world.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #12
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I have no power over the situation.

In the end it is not our business. There's your nuance.
You're right you have no power over the situation.

You're wrong it is your business, it is every single American's business. The president works for you, not the contrary. You actually pay the president and his government with money you have earned to make him lead the country and not reign over it. If the majority of Americans doesn't want to get involved in a war or a military attack that doesn't endanger the national security it is your right as an American to be heard, it is owed to you.
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You're right you have no power over the situation.

You're wrong it is your business, it is every single American's business. The president works for you, not the contrary. You actually pay the president and his government with money you have earned to make him lead the country and not reign over it. If the majority of Americans doesn't want to get involved in a war or a military attack that doesn't endanger the national security it is your right as an American to be heard, it is owed to you.
If you had been following you would have known what I meant.

It is none of our business to be imposing ourselves and bombing in Syria. That is what is meant.
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If you had been following you would have known what I meant.

It is none of our business to be imposing ourselves and bombing in Syria. That is what is meant.
At this hour my brain doesn't follow anymore. Alright I give in
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Let's take a view not thoroughly colored with Obama hate, OK?

First the title, saying that "the German press" has discovered Assad did not personally order the attacks. That sounds impressive, "the German press," as though the German press is monolithic, and united in that opinion.

In reality, as the article notes, "a German newspaper" reported this, "citing unidentified, high-level national security sources," always a rock-solid affirmation.

The newspaper, Bild am Sonntag, is a German tabloid is characterized by the Der Spiegel as "a newspaper that flies just under the nonsense threshold of American and British tabloids. For the German desperate, it's a daily dose of high-resolution soft porn."

Continuing, "It is argued Bild's thirst for sensationalism results in the terrorizing of prominent celebrities and stories are frequently based on the most dubious evidence. The journalistic standards of Bild, or the lack thereof, are the subject of frequent criticism by German intellectuals and media observers....

"In 2004 Bild was publicly reprimanded twelve times by the Deutscher Presserat (German Press Council). This amounts for a third of the reprimands this self-regulation council of the German press declared that year. As of 2012, it receives more reprimands from this watchdog body than any other newspaper."

OK, back to the article, "...the intercepts tended to add weight to the claims of the Obama administration and Britain and France that elements of the Assad regime, and not renegade rebel groups, were responsible for the attack in the suburb of Ghouta, Bild said.

"The German intelligence findings concerning Assad's personal role ... could also strengthen suspicions that Assad no longer fully controls the country's security apparatus."

So, perhaps Assad did not order the attacks, however, let's look at the Guardian's lead paragraph:

"President Bashar al-Assad did not personally order last month's chemical weapons attack near Damascus that has triggered calls for US military intervention, and blocked numerous requests from his military commanders to use chemical weapons against regime opponents in recent months...."

Reuters' lead paragraph:

"Syrian government forces may have carried out a chemical weapons attack close to Damascus without the personal permission of President Bashar al-Assad, Germany's Bild am Sonntag paper reported on Sunday, citing German intelligence."

Guardian: ...al-Assad did not personally order last month's chemical weapons attack....

Reuters: ...Syrian government forces may have carried out a chemical weapons attack lose to Damascus without the personal permission of President Bashar al-Assad....

Nuance.
1. Please note that the US regime has not shown any solid proof to the world about Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons. It won't be surprising that Assad has lost control over some generals in the long, drawn-out conflict.

Please also note that the rebel forces are a motley group consisting of al-Qaeda militants and other foreign jihadists. Your "nuance" stuff has not ruled out the possibility that the chemical attacks might have been launched by the rebels.

Anyway, it doesn't matter whether Assad has ordered the chemical attacks. What matters most is who is holding the butcher's knife.

So now that we know what we know

2. Following are excerpts from the article headlined "Top Syrian Rebel Group Merges With Al-Qaeda in Iraq"

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One of the most prominent and powerful rebel factions fighting on behalf of the Obama administration-backed “regime change” operation in Syria formally announced that it was merging with al Qaeda in Iraq, sparking fresh concerns about the U.S. government arming, training, and funding the so-called “revolution.” The latest news comes on the heels of reports that the war-torn nation is on the verge of becoming a haven for Islamic extremists on par with Afghanistan and Iraq as foreign jihadists continue flooding into Syria.... (End excerpts)

3. Once again, Uncle Sam displays his short memory. He had armed al-Qaeda and other jihadists to fight against the Russians during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Now he is using the rebels and al-Qaeda militants to oust the Syrian regime.

It appears that Uncle Sam could never learn his lesson.

Is al Qaeda fighting in Syria? - World Watch - CBS News
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I know isn't it wild Obama wants to go into syria and supply support for Al Qaeda..

I shake my head everytime I think of that to be so.
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CIA deputy director Michael Morell has warned that the Syrian government's weapons ''are going to be up for grabs and up for sale''. His warning seemed to be a harbinger of the chemical attacks in Syria.

Have some chemical weapons already gone "for grabs and sale" into the hands of the Syrian rebels?

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Which is it IC.. is bush a capitalist pig, or a Socialist

He cannot be both.
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