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Old September 11th, 2013, 09:56 AM   #1
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Colorado Recall Elections Are A Bad Sign

Colorado Gun Recall Elections Are a Bad Sign - Susan Milligan (usnews.com)





Elected office used to be a fairly secure job. Sure, it might take years of relationship-building and fundraising even to get to the point where one can think about running for office. But once an official was in, it had generally been pretty hard to oust him or her, given the structural and financial advantages of incumbency.


That is no longer the case. We have seen veteran lawmakers defeated in elections. We have even seen longtime public servants ousted in primaries – a stunning development that also reflects the declining power of political parties and their leadership. Some of this is healthy, since ideally, democracy is about what the people want, not what some party apparatchiks think is best.

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But there are times when democracy runs amok to the point where it distorts its intended purpose. There are the lawmakers who will do something with dangerous fiscal implications – such as refusing to pay the bills that the U.S. government, rightly or wrongly, has already rung up – because their constituents think it's best. The problem is, constituents don't always know what is best, or aren't willing to or capable of seeing the fallout from the decision. If Congress operated only according to what constituents wanted on a case-by-case basis, we'd have no taxes and miraculously, universally safe bridges and roads and secure retirements. Being in office means making those tough choices, and it means, also, having to make compromises to reflect the broad ideological and demographic diversity of the country.

The worst development in the area of hyper-democracy is the recall. Recall elections have a place in extreme circumstances. They allow voters to fire an elected official who is breaking the law or otherwise committing acts so egregious he or she should not be allowed to stay on until the next election. But as has happened with the Senate filibuster, recall elections have been terribly abused.

Scott Walker, the conservative governor of Wisconsin, triumphed over an effort to recall him, exposing the process as the massive waste of time that it often is. Walker was democratically elected in a free and fair contest and then proceeded to mount an anti-union agenda that horrified his opponents. Fair enough. If the state's residents didn't like it, they could lobby their state legislators to overrule the governor, or start mounting a campaign to defeat him in the next election. Instead, they began a recall effort – winning by getting enough signatures to have a recall election, then losing by failing to recall him. Polls at the time showed that some residents simply didn't like the idea of a recall – and they have a strong point.

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More recently, two Democratic Colorado state legislators were recalled in Tuesday elections because of their support for gun control measures. These recalls are equally, if not more, disturbing, since the campaigns went well beyond the local districts and involved national gun control and gun rights lobbies. Nationalizing local races has a detrimental impact on democracy, since it takes power away from the voters and constituents who actually have to live with the decisions made by the state lawmakers. And it's bad for democracy, too, since it puts elected officials all over the country on notice: vote our way or you may not survive another week. Such a constant threat prevents lawmakers of any ideological stripe from making reasoned, responsible decisions. It used to be that lawmakers went into campaign mode a few months before the election. Then, elected officials went into almost constant campaign mode, always aware of the effect their votes would have on their next elections. Overused recall efforts make it impossible for elected officials to work and vote without worrying they may be out long before their terms are up.

This isn't democracy. This is the dynamic of a third-world, unstable government. It leads to unstable decision-making and undermines our very way of government.
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this country isn't a democracy, its a republic. this dumb ***** needs to go back to the books and learn US history and the constitution

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why do I think this is really about gun control and not process?

I don't think skews would have any problem if the issue was going his way.
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why do I think this is really about gun control and not process?

I don't think skews would have any problem if the issue was going his way.
Yes, I would. You shouldn't be able to change election results because you didn't like the out come. Especially when outside interest subvert the will of the people that elected them. Enjoy your short lived victory. Things have a way of coming full circle.
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Colorado Recall Elections Are A Bad Sign?

No they are not.
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I too have a bit of a problem with this process because it makes it even harder for a politician to use "tough love". This is not a comment on this particular subject. I just think democracy would be better served waiting till the next election.
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Things have a way of coming full circle.
Methinks they already did last night.


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The worst development in the area of hyper-democracy is the recall.
It is hard to take an opinion piece seriously when they misrepresent the facts regarding the subject matter. Considering that Colorado amended their constitution in 1912 to add Article XXI, Recall from Office, one-hundred years later it can hardly be termed a “development.”

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More recently, two Democratic Colorado state legislators were recalled in Tuesday elections because of their support for gun control measures. These recalls are equally, if not more, disturbing, since the campaigns went well beyond the local districts and involved national gun control and gun rights lobbies. Nationalizing local races has a detrimental impact on democracy, since it takes power away from the voters and constituents who actually have to live with the decisions made by the state lawmakers
This was not a local district matter, as it involved violations of the 2nd Amendment by the Colorado state congress, thus making it a national matter. I am confused how the local voters petitioned and won the recall election, voted the two out of office, but it is somehow taking power away from the voters. Also to show the bias in the article, there is no mention of how almost every prominent union in the U.S. was involved in the Wisconsin recall election.

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This isn't democracy. This is the dynamic of a third-world, unstable government. It leads to unstable decision-making and undermines our very way of government.
Third world countries have coups etc., not recall elections. The opinion piece is portraying a scenario where there are a couple of recall elections every other day, thus causing members of Congress to make unstable decisions. I am also curious what our “very way of government” is as opposed to the Constitution, which was the basis of the recall election.
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I too have a bit of a problem with this process because it makes it even harder for a politician to use "tough love". This is not a comment on this particular subject. I just think democracy would be better served waiting till the next election.
I don't know about Canada.. But in the US the Elected officials are OUR EMPLOYEES..

These 2 did not work for the people they worked for their own agenda.

They were warned by call after call this would happen. They chose not to listen to the people.. so they got Fired by their employers.
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I don't know about Canada.. But in the US the Elected officials are OUR EMPLOYEES..

These 2 did not work for the people they worked for their own agenda.

They were warned by call after call this would happen. They chose not to listen to the people.. so they got Fired by their employers.
Equally well, there is a reason the FF's created a democratic Republic instead of a Democracy.
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