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Old October 24th, 2013, 07:04 AM   #1
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Conservatruth Healthcare .gov Cost $634million Real Cost $70million

Daily Kos: Healthcare.gov Conservatruth or did the site actually cost $634 million?


As Mark Twain said, "A lie can run around the world six times while the truth is still trying to put on its pants."

We all know Republican website authors find it easier to spread lies than breathe. However their lies readily become accepted as fact, sometimes just among themselves (see Unskewed polls, $716 billion cuts), sometimes those lies can become "bi-partisan".

It has now become Conservatruth that the healthcare.gov website cost US taxpayers over $500 million.

Almost every Republican leading blog has run with the story that healthcare.gov cost $634 million.

The $500 million cost has even been accepted as fact on the front page of Daily Kos.

Everyone has now accepted a new truism. Healthcare.gov cost over a $half billion.

Time to get back to some truthiness.

The values of contracts awarded to CGI Technology and Solutions are publicly available. This spreadsheet details all of the contracts given to CGI since 2007. Yes 2007, the year George Bush was a lame duck, economists were talking of a credit crunch (not even imagining a banking collapse) and Hillary Clinton was going to face Rudy Giuliani in November of the next year.

Scroll to the bottom of the spreadsheet, the amount awarded is $640,880,247

Yep Rush was right, we can all go home now and celebrate our free dumbs and cry over lost taxpayer money?Yeah? No.

Well let's delete the expenditures that could not possibly be related to the ACA. Anything before January 20 2009.

Wow Healthcare.gov still cost $600 million. Time to get the tricorn hats out and march with Ted Cruz. Well you can only make this assumption if you think that the administration knew what the Affordable Care Act would look like after it passed Congress before a bill was even presented to congress.

Wow you can filter. The only item you can filter on Treasury Account Symbol Initiative is "AMERICAN RECOVERY AND REINVESTMENT ACT". Wo Ben Ghazi, the stimulus only cost $14 million. Let's just remove that cost.

Hmm, you can filter by completion date. The website had a go live date of 1 October 2013. It would have needed to be available for testing on 1 September 2013.

That gives you healthcare.gov. The $93 million maximum cost contract is listed so is the cost of all of the supplemental additions as a result of the Supreme Court and States changing their local rules after the contract was awarded.

So the actual cost to taxpayers for a site as extensive as healthcare.gov $55,744,082. The cost of all of the supplemental work as a result of changes forced on the ACA by a Republican Supreme Court and Republican States who could not wait to deny their residents health care, $63, 933,755. Total cost $119,677,837. Nowhere near $500 million, $634 million or $eleventee blumptee.

This by the way is a still high estimate of the actual cost of the website, because it will include other supplementals. Even The Blaze (ffs) estimated the cost of healthcare.gov to be nowhere near the $634 million figure. They are claiming the full $93.7 million maximum cost.

The Sunlight Foundation estimates a cost of $70 million for the site,with the other costs being largely indirect.

This is a fair chunk of change. Healthcare.gov is not however a homepage on geocities back from the day Yahoo was king.

Websites that have complex backends that need to a simple front end are incredibly expensive. This is a website that needs to interface with insurance companies, assess eligibility and level of subsidy available, and produce different results for different states. It needs to be secure, it needs to be crash proof and it needs to cope with high traffic levels.

None of that is cheap. And at 1/10th of the cost of the United Kingdom's failed healthcare database, it is however pretty good value, despite the yes, major issues that do need ironing out and urgently.

Finally this contract was not a sweetheart deal for CGI from the Obama administration. The original contract was awarded in 2007and meant that 16 contractors would have an Indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract. Think zero hour contracts for IT suppliers. They would have an order without bid for a minimum of $1,000 and a maximum of $4 billion. The idea of the contract is to be able to streamline major system development. The contract ends in 2017.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 07:08 AM   #2
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How can HEALTHCARE.GOV cost only 70 million when the company was PAID 600 MILLION TO WRITE THE SOFTWARE AND BUILD THE WEBSITE.

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Obama Spent $634 Million to Build Broken Healthcare.gov Website | FrontPage Magazine
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The problem with this estimate is two-fold: it came from the dailykos, which would guarantee it is not truthful, and they only used the money granted to CGI as costs.

But, the Government Accountability Office’s report show that CMS spend around $394 million from fiscal year 2010 through March 2013 on contracts for development, and CGI was awarded $93.7 million and have been given $88 million as of June.

The GOA report: GOA.

The CMS 2014 budget request including funding for obamacare: CMS

The CMS 2013 budget request including funding for ObamaCare: CMS

Add up the real numbers and the total is over $500 million.
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But your killing the Right wing lies that they're telling "the people" skews ? And they so like to be TOOLS.......BLAH HA HA HA HA
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But your killing the Right wing lies that they're telling "the people" skews ? And they so like to be TOOLS.......BLAH HA HA HA HA
Very well thought out reply to the actual data; overwhelming and a game changer.
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But your killing the Right wing lies that they're telling "the people" skews ? And they so like to be TOOLS.......BLAH HA HA HA HA
Somebody needs to double-tap this guy...
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The problem with this estimate is two-fold: it came from the dailykos, which would guarantee it is not truthful, and they only used the money granted to CGI as costs.

But, the Government Accountability Office’s report show that CMS spend around $394 million from fiscal year 2010 through March 2013 on contracts for development, and CGI was awarded $93.7 million and have been given $88 million as of June.

The GOA report: GOA.

The CMS 2014 budget request including funding for obamacare: CMS

The CMS 2013 budget request including funding for ObamaCare: CMS

Add up the real numbers and the total is over $500 million.
No problem at all. Another pile of rightwing turds gets lime poured on it. The article from Dailykos, the most accurate polling site last year tied for first with PPP, clearly spells out the lie with the factual data to back it up. The moral of the story, nothing that comes out of a rightwingers mouth, or any rightwing media sites are not to be taken seriously on anything in regards to Obamacare. Rightwingers prove the old adage that you know they're lying when their lips are moving. Now no Republicans in Congress has any credibility on Obamacare. Nothing any of them, or in the rightwing media has to say at this point even matters, or will be considered. You are the big loser on the issue, and there are no scenarios where that changes. You need a new hobby.
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No problem at all. Another pile of rightwing turds gets lime poured on it. The article from Dailykos, the most accurate polling site last year tied for first with PPP, clearly spells out the lie with the factual data to back it up. The moral of the story, nothing that comes out of a rightwingers mouth, or any rightwing media sites are not to be taken seriously on anything in regards to Obamacare. Rightwingers prove the old adage that you know they're lying when their lips are moving. Now no Republicans in Congress has any credibility on Obamacare. Nothing any of them, or in the rightwing media has to say at this point even matters, or will be considered. You are the big loser on the issue, and there are no scenarios where that changes. You need a new hobby.
The dailykos ranks at the bottom on legitimate polling; Research 2000 ring a bell? Anywhere you can find a favorable rating of the dailykos poll there is an asterisk because they always skew inaccurately towards Obama.

But thanks for the information on the GAO and CMS being right wing media sites. I never knew that. I guess they must have lied about the numbers on the reports I linked to that you never opened because of your ignorance and fear of the truth.

But then again we have you who has never not posted a lie, gets exposed, then disappears until the next round of lies you can post.

I will eagerly await your next round of copy and past propaganda lies to dismantle as is customary.
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How can HEALTHCARE.GOV cost only 70 million when the company was PAID 600 MILLION TO WRITE THE SOFTWARE AND BUILD THE WEBSITE.

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Obama Spent $634 Million to Build Broken Healthcare.gov Website | FrontPage Magazine
Maybe due to having been It contractors going back to Bush 43 times.

The obvious lie is the inflated cost being advance by conservative media. Try to not hang onto it too desperately. It a lie, that thing Conservatives hate, because Obama lies everyone he opens his mouth or even think of saying something.
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