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Old February 9th, 2014, 09:04 AM   #71
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i am saying they choose to remain ignorant about political matters. if they did pick up a history book they can see the real truth about democrats. but they voted for obama ONLY because he was black. they probably didn't listen to a debate or did any investigating on their own. having a black president was all they cared about.

i remember in 08 when he was running some of my black techs were so excited about obama. i asked them why they were voting for him. the standard answer was "he's going to change things!!". i asked them what specifically was he going to change". that stumped them, they had NO idea but he was gonna "change everything".

so now 5 years later, what has he changed for black people??
He has afforded them more protection than for whites..The Hate Crimes Law.

1) Awarded $1.2 Billion To Black Farmers
2) Expanded Funding For HBCUs
3) Signed The Crack Cocaine Bill (Fair Sentencing Act)
4) Passed Health Care Reform (Affordable Care Act)
5) Created The Civil Rights Division Of The Justice Department

Barack Obama?s Legislative Victories For Black Americans | News One

This is how skin color matters.....

I go to a huge bible study with women of all races..blacks, hispanics, asians...you name it. We are all pro-life...every one of us. (I thought..not so) We discussed the issues during the campaign..and how Jesus would vote. EVERY ONE of the black woman said they were going to vote for Obama. In fact they made excuses for him. Why? Reasons were varied. They would make exceptions for the pro-life issue. They would throw the lives of the unborn under the bus...to vote color. One woman said...it was about time a black was president and no matter what he stood for...she was voting black. They all compromised their values (that they would hold any one else to)...in order to put a black person in office.
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Old February 9th, 2014, 09:05 AM   #72
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It was Republican efforts to restrict early voting hours that led to the lines. And as far as your "free stuff" comment in your earlier post, I think claiming that a whole race is lazy and wanting "free stuff" will not serve the Republicans well in attracting their votes. But maybe that's just me.
Never stated ALL BLACKS, just a large majority of inner city blacks, who need to be weaned off Gov. assistance, get an education, and quit having bastard kids.
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Old February 9th, 2014, 09:10 AM   #73
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i liked cain also and i find it very ironic that he was crucified about sexual matters when clinton was getting blowjobs in the oval office. he gets a free pass and lies to congress!?? i would have alot more respect for hiliary if she would have kicked bill to the curb and divorced his lying ass..
It was not just the blow jobs...it was the lies. What gets me is this....the lack of accountability Democrats hold their own people too.

If Christie...messed up he should have to pay. That should be the standard with any politician. But god forbid if a democrat does something wrong...they all rally around them..making excuses and placing the blame elsewhere. And they do it with the MEDIAS help.

It's...like Hollywood...telling America...owning a gas guzzling car is wrong. Remember the Hummer? They say...YOU CAN'T DO IT., CAN'T OWN IT..BUT WE CAN and that is ok. How many of them travel in limos...how many have multiple cars...homes, yachts? How many really live green? Its like the Bozo who just said he would take the NEA down...with Meryl Streep. He has made the bulk of his billion dollar career making violent movies....WITH GUNS.

This is the Democratic Party...the Party that wants to control our lives...but be free to live theirs by their own rules.
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Never stated ALL BLACKS, just a large majority of inner city blacks, who need to be weaned off Gov. assistance, get an education, and quit having bastard kids.
A child is a child...I hate the term bastard. Every life is equal and deserving of respect and love.

It is not the fault of the little child born into this kind of life.


There needs to be stricter laws regarding assistance.

Maybe if these kids got vouchers...it would help.
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Romney was not a bad choice. He had experience and character. What he didn't have that the Democrats have is that killer....I will mow over you at any cost attitude. Mitt rolled over and played dead.

Money wouldn't be an issue...as all the candidates running have money behind them. The Democrats have more money than the Republicans do...despite the image they try to give...that the Republicans are just about corporate power and money.

I still say the Republicans need a black minority woman...who is lesbian, hates guns, the Constitution and America. If they found someone like this...just maybe they would have a chance.

As for the support blacks give white men....They are under the assumption like I said that the Democrats are the party that will give them handouts...the party of the poor. These are people that for the most part don't give a damn about fiscal responsibility or anything else...except what they can get for free. I do however think that Allen West and Herman Cain have done a lot to get blacks to re-examine the Republican Party. That is why the Democrats go after these two guys...calling them names, trying to discredit them.
This is the spirit of the Democratic party today...to divide and conquer at any price. This is what the Republicans lack.

Newt Gingrich repeatedly refers to Obama as the food stamp president. This is true...and at the heart of why today people vote Democrat...the handouts. Remember Obama giving out financial gifts to those that helped him win the election? Now you can be a full fledged adult and be under your parents medical plan. Now how many votes did that rake in from the 26 and under group?

Then there was forgiving the college loan interest... and free cell phones which they will deny but actually goes on....etc.
We could argue for days on end about Romney. The unmistakeable fact is that he- like many Repub candidates- face the specter of not having the full Repub electorate support. Another Repub-leaning member put this number at 3 million Repubs who did not vote for Romney. Why is that?
Don't you think this should be Priority #1 for the Repubs in Presidential year elections- getting the fragmented sections of their party to accept their final choice? You cannot blame Obama and the Dems for this paradox of the Repubs.
Like it or not; all politicians must pander to their base (or percieved base).
Financial gifts? You mentioned forgiving college loan interest; and free cell phones. Was not Paul Ryan's tax plan not a "gift" to the uber-wealthy of this country? In effect; it would have Romney himself now paying at an effective tax rate of less than 2 percent! Numerically speaking; this was a disaster of a plan to use politically. Of course, it will appeal to the wealthy. But there are exponentially many more poor, working poor; and middle class voters than there are rich in America!
I got off track there. Back to the point- if Repubs themselves cannot get behind one candidate; how can they expect to defeat the Dems? The truth is what you've seen the last two Presidential elections- the Dem (Obama) won. Now throw into the mix the demographics in America; and the Repub problems increase by a factor of ten- at least.

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He has afforded them more protection than for whites..The Hate Crimes Law.

1) Awarded $1.2 Billion To Black Farmers
2) Expanded Funding For HBCUs
3) Signed The Crack Cocaine Bill (Fair Sentencing Act)
4) Passed Health Care Reform (Affordable Care Act)
5) Created The Civil Rights Division Of The Justice Department

Barack Obama?s Legislative Victories For Black Americans | News One

This is how skin color matters.....

I go to a huge bible study with women of all races..blacks, hispanics, asians...you name it. We are all pro-life...every one of us. (I thought..not so) We discussed the issues during the campaign..and how Jesus would vote. EVERY ONE of the black woman said they were going to vote for Obama. In fact they made excuses for him. Why? Reasons were varied. They would make exceptions for the pro-life issue. They would throw the lives of the unborn under the bus...to vote color. One woman said...it was about time a black was president and no matter what he stood for...she was voting black. They all compromised their values (that they would hold any one else to)...in order to put a black person in office.
yes i remember the fiasco of a fuck-up when the government gave money to black farmers--a good deal of them had never grown a plant or stepped foot on a farm but they got that $50,000 gumbit check!

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We could argue for days on end about Romney. The unmistakeable fact is that he- like many Repub candidates- face the specter of not having the full Repub electorate support. Another Repub-leaning member put this number at 3 million Repubs who did not vote for Romney. Why is that?
Don't you think this should be Priority #1 for the Repubs in Presidential year elections- getting the fragmented sections of their party to accept their final choice? You cannot blame Obama and the Dems for this paradox of the Repubs.
Like it or not; all politicians must pander to their base (or percievesd base).
Financial gifts? You mentioned forgiving college loan interest; and free cell phones. Was not Paul Ryan's tax plan not a "gift" to the uber-wealthy of this country? In effect; it would have Romney himself now paying at an effective tax rate of less than 2 percent! Numerically speaking; this was a disaster of a plan to use politically. Of course, it will appeal to the wealthy. But there are exponentially many more poor, working poor; and middle class voters than there are rich in America!
I got off track there. Back to the point- if Repubs themselves cannot get behind one candidate; how can they expect to defeat the Dems? The truth is what you've seen the last two Presidential elections- the Dem (Obama) won. Now throw into the mix the demographics in America; and the Repub problems increase by a factor of ten- at least.
I say this seriously I don't think they will ever win another election not with the political climate the way it is today.

They could put up a minority lesbian woman...who hates guns, hates religion and America, is pro-abortion/infanticide...and I doubt it would do any good.

I think the Democrats have a well oiled machine that has so duped the public into thinking that it knows what is best for their lives...that no one could defeat them.
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I say this seriously I don't think they will ever win another election not with the political climate the way it is today.

They could put up a minority lesbian woman...who hates guns, hates religion and America, is pro-abortion/infanticide...and I doubt it would do any good.

I think the Democrats have a well oiled machine that has so duped the public into thinking that it knows what is best for their lives...that no one could defeat them.
Well, I wouldn't go that far. I would say that the Repubs will have to address their own internal problems first; before they can take on the Dem candidate in a Presidential election.
First, they are going to have to learn Salesmanship 101 (as a friend of mine calls it). If you want the electorate to change their choice; Repubs need to explain why their candidate would be better; and not just why they don't like the Dem candidate!
Address the demographics. Yes; you could call that "pandering". It is whatever it is. But those are votes out there. With my limited mathematical knowledge I have always believed that 2 is more than 1. So yes; Repubs are going to have to better address the needs of the poor, working poor; and the middle class and not just the wealthy! That's a numerical certainty.
Put the social issues on the back burner. The world is changing from that 1950's "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" world that all too many Christian Conservatives and Evangelicals seem to be stuck in!
I can list more; but most of the Repub problems are those of their own making; thus need to be those of their own fixing!
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Republicans can't just be against the other guy. They have to be for something. Their demonization and divisive hatred campaign has proven to be a failure. You are right nutty joe, they are their own worst enemy.
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. I would say that the Repubs will have to address their own internal problems first; before they can take on the Dem candidate in a Presidential election.
First, they are going to have to learn Salesmanship 101 (as a friend of mine calls it). If you want the electorate to change their choice; Repubs need to explain why their candidate would be better; and not just why they don't like the Dem candidate!
Address the demographics. Yes; you could call that "pandering". It is whatever it is. But those are votes out there. With my limited mathematical knowledge I have always believed that 2 is more than 1. So yes; Repubs are going to have to better address the needs of the poor, working poor; and the middle class and not just the wealthy! That's a numerical certainty.
Put the social issues on the back burner. The world is changing from that 1950's "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" world that all too many Christian Conservatives and Evangelicals seem to be stuck in!
I can list more; but most of the Repub problems are those of their own making; thus need to be those of their own fixing!
How can they come together when they don't agree on the platform?

It's not about the poor....its about gays and killing unborn babies.

It is unfortunately that we have long gone past "Leave it to Beaver"....its tragic.
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