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Old February 28th, 2014, 12:56 PM   #11
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And all that is happening right now is more and more Russian aircraft are flying in paramilitary troops to Crimea.
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Like you, I'm wondering why Obama hasn't fired a few nuclear missiles at Russia.... just a few. Coward.

The critical case of ODS you have has pushed you into justifying Putin's iron fist.

I'm watching it all, live, on Russian and Ukrainian TV. Earlier today, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the head of Russia's Liberal Democratic Party, flew into Crimea to calm everyone's fears, and to throw 10,000 ruble wads of cash to the crowd telling them to go buy flowers for the girlfriends.

Yes, I saw this ON RUSSIAN TV. They are proud of Zhirinovsky, who also said Russia will take of anything they need, including free gasoline for their cars.

Now isn't this wonderful? You're siding with Russia's Liberal Democratic Party, and with the iron fist of Putin.

I don't what my eyes are seeing that's harder to believe, the Russian asylum given to the crooked bastard murderer Yanukovych, or the Russian military invasion of Crimea, first, and it'll be the rest of Ukraine later, or people like you.
Wow you really caught that from what I said? You actually have the gall to read what I typed and conclude I support Putin. Sir, either you do not understand the English language or you are a fool who is upset that the narrative unfolding isnt to your liking. I am no fan of the idea of the Russian bear reclaiming its dominance over a region. But that is in fact what is unfolding rather you like it or not. Yes, I place some of the reason for it happening at the foot of our current President for not showing resolve in Syrian after he drew a line over chemical weapons. The moment the President did not back up his threat over the line, he won the Jimmy Carter award. Now we are going to eat that bears crap over the Ukraine or go to war. And none of us want to go to war over Syria or the Ukraine. But the moment the President drew that line in Syria and did not back up his words, was the moment he fed that bear. Like it or hate it, do not question my patriotism or my love of country and accuse me of favoring the return of the worlds greatest socialist regime. I do not favor it.
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When the Russians invaded Afghanistan, did the Russians see Reagan as an unwitting dupe in your mind ?
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Old February 28th, 2014, 01:48 PM   #14
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Ditto for your case of ODS.

The Russian military bases aren't and never have been an issue.

Russia assured Obama and NATO leaders that Russia would not intervene militarily.

Sorry, but ODS??? Because I suggest Obama offer to be a mediator rather than lecture the Russians? Wrong.

Obama Warns Russia


And of course the bases are an issue, you not seeing it doesn't mean it isn't. Believe me, it is. Always in the back of the Russian mind.




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Old February 28th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #15
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Wow you really caught that from what I said? You actually have the gall to read what I typed and conclude I support Putin. Sir, either you do not understand the English language or you are a fool who is upset that the narrative unfolding isnt to your liking. I am no fan of the idea of the Russian bear reclaiming its dominance over a region. But that is in fact what is unfolding rather you like it or not. Yes, I place some of the reason for it happening at the foot of our current President for not showing resolve in Syrian after he drew a line over chemical weapons. The moment the President did not back up his threat over the line, he won the Jimmy Carter award. Now we are going to eat that bears crap over the Ukraine or go to war. And none of us want to go to war over Syria or the Ukraine. But the moment the President drew that line in Syria and did not back up his words, was the moment he fed that bear. Like it or hate it, do not question my patriotism or my love of country and accuse me of favoring the return of the worlds greatest socialist regime. I do not favor it.
I understand the English language just fine, and yes, I really caught from what you said that for all practical purposes, and in reality, you and Putin hold the same opinions regarding Ukraine.

As for your calling me a fool, I've been called a lot worse so I can live with that.

I'm not a part of the "we" in "We have been spoon fed one side of the story out of the Ukraine." By the way, to what story are you referring?

I've been watching and reading the events in Ukraine since late-November, non-stop, on Russian and Ukrainian TV and print media. My wife is a Russian-born Ukrainian who arrived here in Dec. 2012. She taught English for 28 years, and she's a good interpreter for me.

I have had the privilege of watching the exact same events reported by Russian and Ukrainian news reporters, and the Russians are lying, spinning big time. The plans for the situation as it's unfolded over the last 3+ months were finalized in a seven-hour meeting between Putin and Yanukovych just prior to his doing an about face and not signing an EU integration agreement. Ol' Yanu RAN for president in 2010 on moving forward with EU integration.

Every subsequent action taken by Yanu and his pro-Russian Party of Regions incited and inflamed the opposition ... by design, Putin's design.

I'm not questioning your patriotism, but I can tell you for a fact that any attempts to weave Obama's actions or non-actions into the Ukrainian revolution are machinations of a mind suffering a critical case of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

You state, "Now we are going to eat that bears crap over the Ukraine or go to war." Two points. One, what's the third option we missed because of Obama? And two, the Ukrainians are going to eat a way bigger serving of bear crap, so we should be able to stomach whatever bear crap we wind up eating, if any.

In closing, you and Putin agree that the events in Ukraine are the West's and specifically the US' fault. You can dance around that fact all you like, but you can't deny it.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 07:19 PM   #16
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Sorry, but ODS??? Because I suggest Obama offer to be a mediator rather than lecture the Russians? Wrong.

Obama Warns Russia


And of course the bases are an issue, you not seeing it doesn't mean it isn't. Believe me, it is. Always in the back of the Russian mind.



Obama as a mediator never was an option. Think. The distance he maintained, until the last few days, served best the interests of the Maidan opposition. And all through these last 3+ months, Putin and the Russkis have been blaming the US for our "foreign intervention." Yep, that's the height of hypocrisy coming from Putin, but that's been the non-stop line.

Nobody in the opposition has even hinted at denying Russia the use of its Crimean naval base. Nobody. Base closure is an issue for two reasons: it's convenient for the justification of Russian military actions, and it's useful fodder for the non-stop fear-inspiring campaign that's been in full swing since the murderous bastard Yanukovych fled, and for about a week before he fled.

On top of that is the possibly genetic case of paranoia that infects many Russians, especially the ones in power, and has infected them for several centuries.
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This needed to be done sub rosa. But instead Obama chose to go public, and again today warning Russia. Warning? What is he gonna do when they laugh and ignore his warnings? Very foolish, very.



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When the Russians invaded Afghanistan, did the Russians see Reagan as an unwitting dupe in your mind ?
The Russian invasion took place in December of 1979, while Jimmy Carter was still President. So yes, I would say the Russians saw Jimmy Carter as a weak President
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I understand the English language just fine, and yes, I really caught from what you said that for all practical purposes, and in reality, you and Putin hold the same opinions regarding Ukraine.

As for your calling me a fool, I've been called a lot worse so I can live with that.

I'm not a part of the "we" in "We have been spoon fed one side of the story out of the Ukraine." By the way, to what story are you referring?

I've been watching and reading the events in Ukraine since late-November, non-stop, on Russian and Ukrainian TV and print media. My wife is a Russian-born Ukrainian who arrived here in Dec. 2012. She taught English for 28 years, and she's a good interpreter for me.

I have had the privilege of watching the exact same events reported by Russian and Ukrainian news reporters, and the Russians are lying, spinning big time. The plans for the situation as it's unfolded over the last 3+ months were finalized in a seven-hour meeting between Putin and Yanukovych just prior to his doing an about face and not signing an EU integration agreement. Ol' Yanu RAN for president in 2010 on moving forward with EU integration.

Every subsequent action taken by Yanu and his pro-Russian Party of Regions incited and inflamed the opposition ... by design, Putin's design.

I'm not questioning your patriotism, but I can tell you for a fact that any attempts to weave Obama's actions or non-actions into the Ukrainian revolution are machinations of a mind suffering a critical case of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

You state, "Now we are going to eat that bears crap over the Ukraine or go to war." Two points. One, what's the third option we missed because of Obama? And two, the Ukrainians are going to eat a way bigger serving of bear crap, so we should be able to stomach whatever bear crap we wind up eating, if any.

In closing, you and Putin agree that the events in Ukraine are the West's and specifically the US' fault. You can dance around that fact all you like, but you can't deny it.
No that is incorrect. The US has emboldened Putin due to the lack of resolve he sees from us. Just like a kid who is spoiled and never told no. Putin has no reason to fear or respect the US with the current leadership. That is why the Bear is going to be bold as it wants to be an nothing is going to stop it. The Ukraine may very well fall in the next few days or weeks to a Russian puppet government. The Soviet Union may be coming back. An nothing will be done. Not a thing. We will bury our heads in the sand like ostriches and pat ourselves on the back and say glad we stayed out of that one. Just like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December of 1979. The excuses made by the Soviet then was flimsy just like the excuses that Putin say now are flimsy and of no consequence. The real reason its happening is because there is not one single nation on earth that will stand up to the Soviet..I mean Russia. So in short you are correct the Ukranian people may very well suffer and many die horrific deaths. I hope not.
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A thread entitled "The bad news from Ukraine" has become all about Obama. I miss the days when politics ended at the water's edge.
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