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Old March 1st, 2014, 07:52 AM   #31
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Dude, this is classic Soviet. This is President Obama being tested. This has happened before and will continue to happen unless backbone and resolve is now shown.
Nonsense, Russia want to control the Ukraine for economic and defense purposes. We are not the center of the universe.
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When Russia perceives the US as weak and unwilling, then they feel emboldened. Do you understand that? No, we wont and should not go to war over the Ukraine. This will not stop though. Putin is going to systematically begin putting the Soviet Union back together. I would dare say that Russian nationalism is high right now. You have scoffed at the idea of how is this President Obama's fault, or how does President Obama have any blame. History has shown us that when dealing with the Soviet or Russia that they can and will attempt to take advantage of what the perceive is a weak President. Cuban Missile crisis, on the heels of the bay of pigs. Afghanistan, 1979, President Carter, unless you think President Carter was a strong military President. If you do think that, then just stop reading now. Ukraine,Febuary 2014, on the heels of line in the sand over Syria. Once the perception of being weak and there will be no repercussions is seen, its game on with Putin. History tells us this about Russia/Soviet time and time again. In my opinion is going to attempt to rebuild the Soviet, and he feels he has until 2016, and depending on the election in 2016 maybe beyond. That is reality. Again, we can bury our heads in the sand, take the road of if we only love them more they will love us back attitude. Or we can get tough, maybe not go to war but react militarily in a very large and grotesque show of force to demonstrate some resolve. Or bury our heads in the sand and hope it goes away. You really should watch a time for choosing speech by Ronald Reagan. I know you wont because its not cool to watch Reagan but he is nail on the head of why this is happening now. By the way there is no stopping what happened in the Ukraine, the only solution is to start showing some resolve and backbone or President Obama is going to have something besides the award winning Affordable Health Care act on his presidential resume. He will have the rebuilding of the Soviet Union on his resume as well. History is going to have fun with that
Indeed, Putin has been seduced by the image of Tsar Putin and the dream of recreating Imperial Russia. You are stuck in the Cold War if you think it's the Soviet Union he's recreating. It's Imperial Russia.

The dynamics at work in Syria and Ukraine are simply not comparable on any level. And you are naive to think the 2016 US election is in any way part of Putin's planning. It's not. Without the willingness to go to nuclear war, the US cannot challenge Russia's actions in Ukraine. Are you ready for nuclear war?

I've got friends, and my wife has friends and relatives in Ukraine. We are shedding tears. The "New Russia" of Sochi was window dressing for the Old Russia of Ukraine.

This is the last time I'm responding to your broad-brused criticism of Obama that offers nothing in the way of a solution and truly isn't connected to reality.
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Nonsense, Russia want to control the Ukraine for economic and defense purposes. We are not the center of the universe.
It's a concept impossible for some to comprehend.
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Dude, this is classic Soviet. This is President Obama being tested. This has happened before and will continue to happen unless backbone and resolve is now shown.
The deciding factor occurred when Ukraine gave up the nuclear missiles, tactical and strategic, on the promise, made by the UK, Russia, and the US, that no nuclear power would attack Ukraine.

If Ukraine hadn't done that, the Russians wouldn't be rolling into Crimea now.

But Ukraine did that, and the question now is: How many nuclear missiles must a president be willing to launch at Russia to demonstrate backbone?
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Nonsense, Russia want to control the Ukraine for economic and defense purposes. We are not the center of the universe.
I sincerely hope you are right on this one.
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Nonsense, Russia want to control the Ukraine for economic and defense purposes. We are not the center of the universe.
Obimbos feckless foreign policy is now center-stage. America's big-stick, fear of reprisal", is gone. Obimbo has demonstrated his lack of backbone which gave Putin an open door to do whatever he likes. Obimbos lack of spine puts our universe at risk.
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Obimbos feckless foreign policy is now center-stage. America's big-stick, fear of reprisal", is gone. Obimbo has demonstrated his lack of backbone which gave Putin an open door to do whatever he likes. Obimbos lack of spine puts our universe at risk.
A pretty pathetic post IMO. Let's be clear. You have the luxury to talk about a "big stick" because your actions cannot imperil tens of thousands of Ukrainians and thousands of Americans if a miscalculation is made. A President does not have the luxury of such a liberal and emotional response.

We saw what Reagan's "big stick" created in Afghanistan by arming and training the a Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden. That "big stick" set the stage for 9/11. We saw what the Bush/Cheney "big stick" in Iraq cost this country in blood and treasure. If not for the fear of infraction, I would graphically suggest to you what you can do with that "big stick".
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Indeed, Putin has been seduced by the image of Tsar Putin and the dream of recreating Imperial Russia. You are stuck in the Cold War if you think it's the Soviet Union he's recreating. It's Imperial Russia.

The dynamics at work in Syria and Ukraine are simply not comparable on any level. And you are naive to think the 2016 US election is in any way part of Putin's planning. It's not. Without the willingness to go to nuclear war, the US cannot challenge Russia's actions in Ukraine. Are you ready for nuclear war?

I've got friends, and my wife has friends and relatives in Ukraine. We are shedding tears. The "New Russia" of Sochi was window dressing for the Old Russia of Ukraine.

This is the last time I'm responding to your broad-brused criticism of Obama that offers nothing in the way of a solution and truly isn't connected to reality.
"It's Imperial Russia."

Uhhh...what's the diff?
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It's terrible.

Crimea is militarily occupied and cut off from the rest of the world by uniformed military without any identifying insignia. The Russian Navy has blockaded the coast. Armor is staged in Russia as are ground troops, armored personnel carriers are moving throughout Crimea, and the ubiquitous "unidentified" heavily armed military control the Crimean capital's administrative center, and the airports. All highways into Crimea are blocked, and all vehicles are being searched.

Yanukovych, with Russian asylum and Russian fighter jet escort to Russia, made a trademark "lying through his teeth" address, and still claims to be the president. He denies everything that has been in fact, materially revealed about his criminal reign, the opulent "palace" isn't his, he has no other residences, and no foreign bank accounts ... all lies.

He says he won't ask Russia for assistance in restoring the legitimate government. To top it off, only pro-Russian journalists were allowed in the building, and the questions asked followed an easily discernible script.

Russian media continue to misrepresent events grossly. My wife today said she never saw anything more blatant during the Soviet days. It's incredible to switch from Russian to Ukrainian TV stations. The unidentified military in Crimea are denying Ukrainian journalists access to events.

My eyes have been sweating again today, because in slow-motion, this revolution is being crushed by the steel of a Russian fist. The Maidan coalition members are "the rebels." Crimea is the initial focus point of the legitimate government of Ukraine ousting the rebels. Yanukovych is a hero, and Russia is Ukraine's best friend.

Crimea is occupied, eastern Ukraine is next, and then it's either partition, which Putin doesn't want, or the tanks roll all the way to the western borders, to restore the legitimate Ukrainian government.

Oh yeah, not a word or action has been attributed to Putin.

There's more, but that's all I can stomach for now. Yeah, this drama gets me in the belly....
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Old March 1st, 2014, 12:51 PM   #40
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Yep, a lotta criticism, and no solutions offered.

Unless the criticizers favor war with Russia, and think Obama is a weak SOB for not starting one....

Moreover, there's nothing Obama or the US could do in Ukraine. Hell, it borders Russia, and many families have members living in each country.

I am not saying I approved of Putin's antics, to be clear.

5 Ways The U.S. Can Respond To Russia Invading Ukraine -- Without Going To War | ThinkProgress
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