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Old March 11th, 2014, 09:28 AM   #1
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Major Victory For Obama As House GOP Introduce 3 Bills Improving Obamacare

A Major Victory for Obama: House Republicans Introduce 3 Bills That Improve Obamacare




In what is a major victory for the president, House Republicans will vote on three bills next week that correct small issues and unintended consequences in the ACA.

Politico (via Slate) has the details:


House Republican leaders are planning to bring up three changes to Obamacare next week — but unlike dozens of prior bills, these are more minor measures that are not expected to be controversial. All three bills essentially fix drafting errors, perceived oversights or unintended consequences in the president’s Affordable Care Act.

They have bipartisan support and are scheduled to be considered under a suspension of the rules, which limits debate and requires support from two-thirds of House members — a signal that leaders of both parties do not expect any heated debate.

They hold some political significance, however, because they allow Republicans to push back against the Democrats’ talking point that the GOP is only interested in holding votes to pick at Obamacare’s flaws. They also represent the reality that Obamacare is now fully implemented — and not fixing errors could be more damaging to opponents than being perceived as trying to make Obamacare work better.

What makes this news all the juicier is that Boehner and company introduced these bills last Friday while conservatives were distracted by CPAC.

The right wingers were screaming about repeal from across the river the Republican leadership was submitting legislation that improves the law. On at least fifty previous occasions, Republicans tried to pass off attempts to repeal the law as improvements. In this case, Republicans are actually doing their jobs.

The answer to why the House Republicans are trying to improve the ACA can be found the polling. The popularity of repeal has sunk to a record low. The vast majority of Americans say that they want to keep and improve the law.

The biggest problem for Republicans is that their just say no to Obamacare position was destined to erode away.

The name Obamacare isn’t popular, but much of what the law contains is. As the ACA is fully implemented, more people are seeing the benefits, the repeal position is becoming unsustainable. House Republicans have finally caught on that should they continue to say no, they will be rejecting some very popular elements of the law.

This move by the House leadership is evidence that repeal movement is all, but, dead. Repeal Obamacare has joined Roe v Wade as nothing more than a conservative campaign slogan that will be used in future elections to encourage the Republican faithful to get out and vote.

Speaker Boehner and the House Republican leadership have a loyal group of a few dozen Republicans, who combined Nancy Pelosi’s Democrats, make up a big enough coalition to pass these bills.

Republicans will hypocritically continue to rant and rave publicly about how Obamacare must die while trying to slip legislation under the radar that fixes some of the unintended consequences caused by the law.

House Republican leaders are quietly surrendering on the ACA. There will be plenty more wasteful show votes to repeal Obamacare, but that’s just a bit of theater for the folks back home. Boehner, Cantor, and the gang are throwing up the white flag.

In order for Republicans to take credit for fixing the law, they are doing something that many thought they would never do. They are acknowledging the legitimacy of the ACA.

It’s all but over. These small pieces of legislation mark a major shift, and a big win for President Obama.
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Where one propaganda website sees a victory, most see a loss for Obama.

These are only technical corrections, which weakens Obama's position against the Republicans. What this also does is make it much more palatable if a Republican is elected president to dismantle most of Obamacare with executive orders. With Obama changing the law with executive orders sans Congress, the door is open if a Republican is elected.

These little tweaks are common and meaningless, but the Republicans, if they are smart enough, can spin it in any light they want in the election to offset any Democrat claim they are not cooperative.

Obama is the loser on this.
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Where one propaganda website sees a victory, most see a loss for Obama.

These are only technical corrections, which weakens Obama's position against the Republicans. What this also does is make it much more palatable if a Republican is elected president to dismantle most of Obamacare with executive orders. With Obama changing the law with executive orders sans Congress, the door is open if a Republican is elected.

These little tweaks are common and meaningless, but the Republicans, if they are smart enough, can spin it in any light they want in the election to offset any Democrat claim they are not cooperative.

Obama is the loser on this.
Hey, if you're fine with the fact that Obamacare is here to stay, and that repeal isn't going to happen, I'm with you all the way.
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Hey, if you're fine with the fact that Obamacare is here to stay, and that repeal isn't going to happen, I'm with you all the way.
Did I say that? I think it would be funny if a non-democrat is elected president and signs an executive order delaying Obamacare until 2075, and directing the DOJ to not defend it against the plethora of lawsuits working their way to the Supreme Court. And if the Republicans control the Senate, create a bill eliminating Obamacare, but don't let the Democrats have a vote on it. And while they are at it, eliminate the 60 vote minimum on any legislation.
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I have to agree with Skews there, Jimmyb. I've been saying that there would be no repeal of Obamacare-ever. I haven't changed my mind. The Repubs are just out of anti- Obamacare talking points, that's all.
It's just a mathematical conclusionf of mine. Every recipient of Obamacare and every recipient of the Medicaid expansion of voting age is a vote for the candidate that supports Obamacare in 2014 and 2016. It can't be stopped.
Granted; these Repubs that are working on improvements will be assailed as "traitors", "sellouts", "RINO's" and much more (and much worse) by the Tea Party.
They are just smart enough to know that the fight is over, that it's time to improve Obamacare where it can be improved.
Social Security and Medicare went through the same "trials of fire"- Obamacare went through it as well. To me; the fight was over when opponents started running ads trying to get people to NOT sign up for Obamacare!
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Did I say that? I think it would be funny if a non-democrat is elected president and signs an executive order delaying Obamacare until 2075, and directing the DOJ to not defend it against the plethora of lawsuits working their way to the Supreme Court. And if the Republicans control the Senate, create a bill eliminating Obamacare, but don't let the Democrats have a vote on it. And while they are at it, eliminate the 60 vote minimum on any legislation.
It would be funny; but for it to be a reality, there would have to be a candidate that would run on that platform. Repubs won't have a shortage there in 2016; but by then they will see the handwriting on the wall- it won't sell nationally!
Obamacare registration for 2014 ends on March 31st of this year. Then you will have registration for 2015 followed by 2016 before the next presidential election. Want to guess as to what those numbers will look like then? Now throw in Medicaid expansion. It will follow the same couse of events. Repub governors will be under pressure from the medical profession in their states to accept the federal funding; as well as those Repub governors also seeing this area as a farm of "untapped votes" come election time.
I don't know how many Repub governors are up for reelection now in 2014- we shall see how many make the jump. Throw in 2015 and then 2016 for this issue also. It all adds up to my original conclusion: Repubs stand a better chance of making the rain fall back up into the sky than they have to repeal Obamacare!
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I have to agree with Skews there, Jimmyb. I've been saying that there would be no repeal of Obamacare-ever. I haven't changed my mind. The Repubs are just out of anti- Obamacare talking points, that's all.
It's just a mathematical conclusionf of mine. Every recipient of Obamacare and every recipient of the Medicaid expansion of voting age is a vote for the candidate that supports Obamacare in 2014 and 2016. It can't be stopped.
Granted; these Repubs that are working on improvements will be assailed as "traitors", "sellouts", "RINO's" and much more (and much worse) by the Tea Party.
They are just smart enough to know that the fight is over, that it's time to improve Obamacare where it can be improved.
Social Security and Medicare went through the same "trials of fire"- Obamacare went through it as well. To me; the fight was over when opponents started running ads trying to get people to NOT sign up for Obamacare!
If Obimbocare is here to stay, then the Democrat Party will be a minority Party for some time.
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If Obimbocare is here to stay, then the Democrat Party will be a minority Party for some time.
Yes, because the growing minority demographics will vote Republican....
BLAH HA HA HA HA
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Wing nuts still can't deal with the reality of the situation Nuttyjoe. BLAH HA HA HA HA
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If Obimbocare is here to stay, then the Democrat Party will be a minority Party for some time.

Yeah, which is why Obama just delayed the mandate until 2017*, it is so popular must be the reason?

The Obama administration will let people with health insurance plans that don't comply with Affordable Care Act standards keep them through October 2017 if their states allow it, officials said Wednesday in announcing a series of final Obamacare rules.

*Of course being the fraud that he is, Obama then put the onus on the states, which have to take months to adjust programs, thus screwing the people even more. Of course this caught all 50 governors off guard, even those who support Obamacare in a true Obama moment. Oh well, more lawsuits.




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