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Old June 10th, 2014, 05:37 PM   #41
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"Joel Hunter, a man who says he helps President Barack Obama "get closer to God," recently visited Iran to discuss religious tolerance and will brief the White House on his journey."

First of all no one can help you get closer to God. They can plant seeds and lead you there but the closeness depends on you and what you do.This is something you have to do all on your own. You are the one who is in charge of making your own relationship with Christ.

You don't need a religious advisor, a Pope, clergy, nuns, pastors, Christian counselors...to have a relationship with Christ. You can do that on your own. In fact...you can read the Bible alone and study it alone.

There isn't anything in the entire Bible that says we must be tolerant of other religions. I would not tolerate someone in my home taking the Lords Name in vain. They either would stop or I would lead them to the door. Same thing if someone was making pot shots about Christ...to the door they would go. I go to a Muslim doctor who is absolutely just the best. I have been going to him for over twenty some years. I would never make fun of his faith although I think it is a false one.

I don't know that much about him only that he heads a mega church in Florida...but he is an anti-christ if he is making Obama think that he is closer to God then anyone else...that he has a free pass to heaven.

Obama....
“In the end, the values that I care most deeply about, and she (Michelle Obama) cares most deeply about is how we treat other people. We’re both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but when we think about our faith the thing at root that we think about is not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf but it’s also the Golden Rule – treat others the way you’d want to be treated,” Obama stated."

I don't think Obama knows what a practicing Christian does...he is pro-abortion and pro-same sex marriage.

I just read an article about Joel..and he is against same sex marriage and has called Obama out on this. Hopefully he will talk scripture with Obama...and show him what Gods position is...on all these issues.

His position is at odds with God and Christians who know the Word.
Advocating for LEGAL recognition of same sex marriage is not against god's word.

According to the bible the followers of god are IN this world but not PART of this world.

1 John
2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

In other words, if you think god is against same sex marriage then don't do it. There is NOTHING in the bible that says you should prevent others from doing it.
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Old June 10th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #42
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I have my doubts about Obama's Christianity as well. Personally, I have the gut feeling that he is an atheist....or at least an atheist in how he conducts his life. He may claim to believe...he may actually think he believes...but he maintains his "Christian" faith because he is a politician.

I think there may be far more "atheist" politicians then will admit to it (from both parties) for the same reason.
There has been only one time I blinked, I take people at their word for their faith, I understand people are not perfect and may be at different points in their level of faith, or understanding of faith.

Back to what made me blink.

Was in his interview with George Stephonophous (spelling) when he stated these words.

"My Muslim Faith" and George had pause a minute and say "Don't you mean your Chritian Faith."
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Advocating for LEGAL recognition of same sex marriage is not against god's word.

According to the bible the followers of god are IN this world but not PART of this world.

1 John
2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

In other words, if you think god is against same sex marriage then don't do it. There is NOTHING in the bible that says you should prevent others from doing it.
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Genesis 2:18 - Yahweh God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."
He did not make another man for Adam. He made a woman. She finished Gods perfect formal for the family.



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Matthew 19:4 - 6 - He answered, "Haven't you read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, `For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall join to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh?' So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, don't let man tear apart."
He made us male and female...A man leaves family...cleaves to a woman, his wife. Not another male. They become ONE. Two men in Gods eyes can't become one, nor can two women.


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Drink water from your own well -- share your love only with your wife. Why spill the water of your springs in public, having sex with just anyone? You should reserve it for yourselves. Don't share it with strangers.

Let your wife be a fountain of blessing for you. Rejoice in the wife of your youth. May you always be captivated by her love.

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The man who finds a wife finds a treasure and receives favor from the LORD .



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22 He who finds a wife finds what is good
and receives favor from the Lord.

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"If a Christian man has a wife who is an unbeliever and she is willing to continue living with him, he must not leave her. And if a Christian woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he is willing to continue living with her, she must not leave him. For the Christian wife brings holiness to her marriage, and the Christian husband brings holiness to his marriage. Otherwise, your children would not have a godly influence, but now they are set apart for him. (But if the husband or wife who isn't a Christian insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is not required to stay with them, for God wants his children to live in peace.) You wives must remember that your husbands might be converted because of you. And you husbands must remember that your wives might be converted because of you.

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12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?


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Ephesians 5:21

And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church.
As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.
For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her
to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God's word.*
He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.
In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself.
No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ cares for the church.
And we are members of his body.

Marriage is designed by God. There is not one scripture in the entire Word of God...where same sex relationships are condoned. This includes gay marriages. They are detestable to God. Any sex outside the marriage of one man and one woman is sin.

For an unbeliever to be in a power position and rule for same sex marriage...is different than if a believer condones and puts it into place, making it law. Obama says he is a believer a Christian...he can't do something that compromises his faith in God. When anyone does that...they become part of the world...they are no longer belong to Christ.

Obama is a part of the world....his positions on same sex marriage and abortion show his heart.

Sin is sin..and Obama can't hide from God on this. His positions are sinful.

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I can not judge another persons heart...I can however take his words and actions into account.

This is why I do not believe Obama is a Christian based on that.

TN...mentioned one example when Obama slipped and said..My Muslim faith...there are more.


He asks whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?

I believe this is just one indication he is not Christian...another indication that he does not know the true history of America. It was taught from the beginning of America using the bible.

Obama asks the question...what do we teach? The answer.....What Gods Word says... in THE BIBLE.

Which passages of scriptures should guide our policies Obama asks?

Well gee Mr. President the entire Bible is God inspired. Which ones would you toss out besides the Sermon on the Mount? He insinuates that the Bible is terrible...he mocks it.

Like I mentioned he makes pot shots at the Sermon on the Mount...WHO DOES THIS? A nonbeliever ok...but someone who confesses that he is a practicing Christian....NO WAY.

"Now before we get carried away lets read our Bibles now." Obama

Again mocking, making pot shots at people listening. He will pay for this mockery so say the scriptures.

I believe he is a heretic....Christianity is RELIGION SPECIFIC. GOD IS SPECIFIC...THE WORD IS CLEAR ON MORALITY, IT IS CLEAR ON SALVATION. No other religion is the truth...so says Jesus....Obama says Jesus is wrong. Who questions Jesus if they love Him?

I will tell you who does based on the scripture that Obama mocks...Someone who has NOT put their life in Christ's hands,who lacks faith...thats who.


He says he is opposed to abortion for religious reasons. If you are morally against abortion....you vote against abortion. He is pro infanticide...he voted that should a child make it through a botched abortion that no aid be given. He voted for same sex marriage...which God condemns. He is caving in and showing where his allegiance is..and it is not with God. He is using his position as President as an excuse to put into place all the things he believes. I am against abortion...BUT....I have to do it for all those out there that are secular.

He says to be politically correct is godly. He puts the country over God. Jesus said...anyone who denys him is Anti-Christ. You deny Him.....He will deny you.

I would love to hear his excuse when he stands before God when God asks him why he denied him...why he did not stand for the innocent. The scriptures say that leaders will be held more accountable...and Barry will pay.

In a pluralistic society he says he has no choice. Again hogwash. He does have a choice ..we always have a choice. And he has made his choice.

He talks about compromise...YOU NEVER COMPROMISE THE TRUTH ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR FAITH IN GOD.

Faith as a tool of attack? People are tired of it, he says. When you stand on the Word of God and you have the Holy Spirit...your faith is always intact...you don't need to attack. Faith can be used without being in attack mode. You can have faith in God and not involve anyone else. Obama again...looking for an OUT...looking for other truths. In his world....Christ isn't the only truth for him...just ONE solution to the problem. All roads lead to God...in his world. And that is a lie....all roads do not lead to God.

He is hostile to his own worldview.

Anyone can claim they are Christian...what they say and do positionally..shows if they really are or not.

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This video shows his unchristian actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHWxSFNJ1Kg

"Folks haven't been reading the Bible" Obama says...

HE HASN'T BEEN READING THE BIBLE....I doubt he owns one.




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AND THE GREAT RONALD REAGAN SAID....

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDouNtnR_IA

I will end with this...something precious and beautiful to Obama. It is not the Bible..as he frequently uses to boost his own Christianity...it is much better than that.


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In this video at the end he admits....His Muslim faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtwdGUXliV8

Obama...the sweetest sounds on earth...the Muslim call to worship.

“The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer” – Barack Hussein Obama


Christian? I don't think so not based on his actions and words.




LET HIS DAYS BE FEW, AND LET ANOTHER TAKE HIS OFFICE."
PSALM 109:8

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"you shall know a tree by its fruit"

obama's got some pretty ugly lookin fruits
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"you shall know a tree by its fruit"

obama's got some pretty ugly lookin fruits
and they are rotten inside. eat at your own risk. you won't see the rot right away, until you start puking your guts up and then you'll realize your mistake..
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