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Old June 22nd, 2014, 07:41 AM   #1
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Holy, holy ...cough, cough... holy....

The Russian propaganda war has been thought out to the nth degree.

If a person has any trouble understanding why a wall between church and state must exist, read on.

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Ukrainian Church Faces Obscure Pro-Russia Revolt in Its Own Ranks

LVIV, Ukraine — In a zealously nationalist region of Ukraine that clamors to join Europe and bubbles with suspicion toward Russia, Father Andriy, a preacher at Our Lady of Everlasting Succor church, was defiantly out of step with the mood of his flock.

The European Union, he explained after a Sunday service, is an “empire of evil” committed to defying the word of God and to spreading homosexuality and pedophilia. As for antigovernment protesters who toppled President Viktor F. Yanukovych and are praised as heroes in this western corner of Ukraine, the priest sees only “Godless deviants” and “fools” who are “in the pay of hostile foreign powers.”

Such views, espoused by a small but noisy group of fundamentalist Catholic clerics in western Ukraine, are commonplace among the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church and its Ukrainian affiliate, whose Moscow-based patriarch is a firm ally of President Vladimir V. Putin.

But they are remote from the traditional leanings of what is by far the largest religious denomination in western Ukraine, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. So much so, in fact, that many here suspect a Russian-backed maneuver to destroy a vital wellspring of Ukrainian nationalism.

“It is all fake, a political manipulation,” said Ihor Vroznyak, the archbishop of Lviv for the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, the main target of attack for a cabal of aggressively pro-Russian dissident clerics. “They try to scare people by saying we will all go to hell,” he added, in an interview in his chambers at St. George’s Cathedral.

Even before mysterious pro-Russian gunmen began hacking away at Ukraine’s sovereignty in the Crimea and now in eastern Ukraine, a well-planned and curiously well-funded assault was already underway in the west of the country on the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, an institution that has sustained Ukraine spiritually for generations and helped keep alive belief in the possibility of a separate, independent Ukrainian state.
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Religion is a disease.

It's a good thing that it's on it's way out in a broad perspective of human history.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 08:31 AM   #3
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Religion is a disease.

It's a good thing that it's on it's way out in a broad perspective of human history.
Religion is here to stay and there are far more believers than unbelievers on the planet and always have been.
So your statement is really just wishful thinking without any basis in reality.

You do know that the communists have always tried to stamp out religion and failed every time?
Like many things, you can't change reality or human nature not matter how much you wish or fight against it.
I wish y'all would start trying to change things that actually might be possible like making poop smell nice or cars that run on piss.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 11:25 PM   #4
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Religion is a disease.

It's a good thing that it's on it's way out in a broad perspective of human history.
That would be nice...but it's not the case.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:50 AM   #5
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Religion is here to stay and there are far more believers than unbelievers on the planet and always have been.
So your statement is really just wishful thinking without any basis in reality.

You do know that the communists have always tried to stamp out religion and failed every time?
Like many things, you can't change reality or human nature not matter how much you wish or fight against it.
I wish y'all would start trying to change things that actually might be possible like making poop smell nice or cars that run on piss.
So, on topic, do you approve of Putler-directed, now church-backed disinfo campaign to justify Russian warfare on Ukraine?
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:51 AM   #6
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That would be nice...but it's not the case.
A much more accurate version of our relationship with the Creator(s) is emerging, however, not in Russia.....
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