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Old October 22nd, 2014, 04:46 PM   #1
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Canadian Prime Minister: 'Terrorist' attack is 'grim reminder'

A sign of things to come. People soon may beg for a police state, and if we get one all the fools who've called the US a police state will see just how wrong they were.

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Canadian Prime Minister: 'Terrorist' attack is 'grim reminder'

A soldier gunned down while guarding a hallowed war memorial and a shootout in the halls of Parliament left parts of Canada's capital on lockdown for hours Wednesday.

Parliament member Kyle Seeback called it a "horrific day."

And it may not be over yet.

Authorities haven't ruled out the possibility that an additional shooter could be on the loose. And Ottawa Police Constable Chuck Benoit told CNN that there was more than one person involved in the shootings.

We have to apprehend and arrest the people that are involved in this morning's incident," he said, "and at this time we don't have these people."

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, and another just minutes later nearby inside Parliament.
Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau had a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

Cpl. Nathan Cirillo was the soldier killed after a shooter opened fire at the memorial, a family source told CNN's Paula Newton.

Investigators haven't provided any possible motives for the shooting.

The soldier appeared to have been shot in the back, said Peter Henderson, a journalist who was at the memorial at the time of the shooting. Other soldiers who were nearby doing drills at the time ran to help, he said.

"This is a dynamic and unfolding situation. I understand that people have many questions and we are committed to providing some answers as soon as we are able," Assistant Commissioner Gilles Michaud, commanding officer of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police National Division, told reporters Wednesday.

Three people brought to The Ottawa Hospital after the shootings have been released, hospital spokeswoman Hazel Harding told CNN. Earlier, they were described as being in stable condition.

Hours after gunshots thundered through the halls of Parliament, forcing people to barricade themselves in offices, police were still scouring the area and a lockdown remained in effect.

"If they thought that they had the situation under control, we would have been let out a long time ago. We haven't been. There's still no word on whether we will be," said Josh Wingrove, a reporter for the Globe and Mail newspaper who witnessed the shooting and remained at Parliament Wednesday evening. "This is by no means a situation that is considered over."

'I heard rapid fire'

Shortly after the shooting at the memorial, a gunman entered the nearby building on Parliament Hill, officials said.

"I heard rapid fire -- gunshots going very loud -- and I figure maybe 20-plus shots within 10 seconds," Canadian Deputy House Leader Kevin Lamoureux told CNN. He was one level below the gunshots.

Gunfire first erupted in the building's foyer. Then a second round of shooting happened about a minute later in a hallway or near the entrance to the Parliament's library, Wingrove told CNN.

Several officers had weapons drawn, he said, and most of the dozens of shots that he heard appeared to have been fired by officers at the gunman.

When the shooting ended, a person was lying motionless on the ground near the library entrance, Wingrove said.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 04:55 PM   #2
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All of this is, of course, Obama's fault....

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Today's terrorist incident in Canada should come as no surprise. Both the Canadian government and jihadists have been talking for weeks about a potential attack.

The Ottawa shooter has been identified as Michael Zehef-Bibeau, reportedly a Canadian of Algerian descent whose passport had recently been seized when he was designated a "high risk traveler."

He was shot down by sergeant-at-arms Kevin Vickers while mounting an attack inside the Canadian Parliament building. Zehef-Bibeau killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo, shot down near the War Memorial in Ottawa.

Zehef-Bibeau's motives have not been confirmed, but it is reasonable to assume they are connected to the war against the Islamic State. On October 7, the Canadian government authorized a six month commitment to the U.S.-led air offensive against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. This move prompted a Canadian-born Muslim convert fighting with Islamic State forces to urge attacks on Canada since it is "permissible to retaliate in a like manner." This followed a threat in September from Islamic State spokesman Abu Mohammed Adnani that included Canada on a list of approved target countries, also including the United States.

The day after Canada joined the war against the IS, Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney reported that the government was watching about 80 people who had returned to the country from overseas and were suspected of having terrorist ties. NBC news reported that Canadian officials and the FBI had picked up information regarding jihadist discussions of "knife and gun" attacks inside Canada. Last Friday, Canada elevated its terrorism threat level for the first time in four years in response to "increased chatter" from overseas terrorists concerning a potential domestic attack.

But home grown radicals also pose a threat. On Monday, Martin Couture Rouleau ran down two soldiers with his car in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, southeast of Montreal, killing one. Rouleau, who had changed his Facebook name to "Ahmad," was a radicalized convert to Islam who openly posted jihadist messages in social media. Like Zehef-Bibeau, his passport had been withdrawn, in his case in July when he attempted to travel to Turkey, purportedly to join the fighting in Syria. He had been under close watch since then. Rouleau fled the scene of the attack, overturned his car during the pursuit, and was shot by police after emerging from his wrecked vehicle with a long knife. Rouleau had told a 911 operator he was "acting in the name of Allah."

Rouleau and Zehef-Bibeau's apparent lone wolf actions, or "individual jihad", are the kind of attacks that al Qaeda and other terror groups have recently been encouraging. They are inexpensive, harder to detect and disrupt, and chillingly effective. It remains to be seen whether Wednesday's attack was part of a coordinated, longer term plan, or a spur of the moment operation, perhaps seeking revenge for Rouleau's death two days earlier. However both of this week's incidents demonstrate the global reach of radical extremism and could encourage future small-scale attacks.
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Several years ago I visited Ottawa for the first time. But this was post 9/11. I was very surprised at the lack of security surrounding our parliament buildings. Unfortunately, that will all change now. Hell, I remember when you could just walk onto a plane.

We (all the west) need to just pull out and let the stupid bastards kill each other off till they find themselves sufficiently ruthless dictators to control them behind borders of their own choosing, or winning.
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I remember walking on a plane, and walking out to the terminal to say good-bye. Flying is a pain in the ass now.

For the life of me I cannot understand why, other than the Russki-inspired downing of MH17, no passenger jet has been taken down. With a shoulder fired missile, a hit on takeoff or landing, on a big, slow-moving target would be a piece of cake.
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With a shoulder fired missile, a hit on takeoff or landing, on a big, slow-moving target would be a piece of cake.

TWA 800?

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/reopen_the_twa_800.htm

Any passenger jet at low altitude is vulnerable to a shoulder fired SAM. Does not have to be only at take off or landing only.






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TWA 800?

Jack Cashill - TWA Flight 800:A Government Cover-up Lives - 18 Years Later

Any passenger jet at low altitude is vulnerable to a shoulder fired SAM. Does not have to be only at take off or landing only.
True, but a takeoff or landing is a dead shot. Regardless, it's nearly unbelievable that has never happened.

WWIII won't be decided by nukes, decided rather, in part, by shoulder-launched missiles.
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All of this is, of course, Obama's fault....



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"All of this is, of course, Obama's fault...."

While I see your point...in the fact that ODS might have some play...but don't forget this President is reticent to call Islamic terrorism just that: Islamic terrorism. Where's HIS loud and angry voice to those that HE BELIEVES respect him. "My Muslim faith???" He actually said that. I ain't makin' it up, IT.

So, okay...now he should try and garner the respect he thinks he is due for his early Apology Tours.......

That would only be fair play as shown by the (so called) moderate Moslem community.
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"All of this is, of course, Obama's fault...."

While I see your point...in the fact that ODS might have some play...but don't forget this President is reticent to call Islamic terrorism just that: Islamic terrorism. Where's HIS loud and angry voice to those that HE BELIEVES respect him. "My Muslim faith???" He actually said that. I ain't makin' it up, IT.

So, okay...now he should try and garner the respect he thinks he is due for his early Apology Tours.......

That would only be fair play as shown by the (so called) moderate Moslem community.
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True, but a takeoff or landing is a dead shot. Regardless, it's nearly unbelievable that has never happened.

WWIII won't be decided by nukes, decided rather, in part, by shoulder-launched missiles.
a good shot with a rocket propelled grenade could probably take out an engine of an aircraft at take off or landing.
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"All of this is, of course, Obama's fault...."

While I see your point...in the fact that ODS might have some play...but don't forget this President is reticent to call Islamic terrorism just that: Islamic terrorism. Where's HIS loud and angry voice to those that HE BELIEVES respect him. "My Muslim faith???" He actually said that. I ain't makin' it up, IT.

So, okay...now he should try and garner the respect he thinks he is due for his early Apology Tours.......

That would only be fair play as shown by the (so called) moderate Moslem community.
Obama shares some of the responsibility for IS. But the line of responsible parties stretches decades and decades into the past.
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