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Old November 3rd, 2014, 07:29 AM   #1
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Australian coal industry pushes emissions "clean-up" research

"Clean Coal" is a total oxymoron, but that won't stop King Coal from spoon-feeding folks King Coal Snake Oil.

Are you buying any of that stuff, Tony?

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Defiant coal industry pushes emissions "clean-up" research in face of IPCC report

The coal industry says it will be a major energy provider for decades to come, rejecting the findings of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that the days of fossil fuel use are numbered.

...Stephen Galilee, the chief executive of the New South Wales Mineral Council, told the ABC on Monday that coal would remain a key energy source, especially for "billions" of the world's poor who still did not have access to cheap and reliable power.

Asked if demand for coal would fall as the environmental costs became too high, Mr Galilee said the industry was investing in technology to lower its environmental impact and warned withdrawing fossil fuels from the world's energy mix would "cause significant social and economic dislocation".

Environment Minister Greg Hunt said on Monday that cleaning up existing power stations was the "the best thing" thing the government could do to reduce emissions, and pointed to the CSIRO's direct injection carbon engine (DICE) technology as a way to reduce emissions from brown coal.

DICE, the subject of a major research project at the CSIRO, can cut emissions from a coal station by up to half but is still at least five years from being ready to roll out.

Damon Honnery, a specialist in energy systems from Monash University's School of Engineering, says clean coal technology is hugely problematic - expensive, difficult to implement and incapable of providing carbon emissions reduction on the scale required to mitigate climate change.

The problem with DICE, said Associate Professor Honnery, was that it while it could reduce the carbon footprint from a coal-fired power station its CO₂ emissions would be well above 0.1kg per kilowatt hour, the value generally agreed to be required by about 2050 if we are to stabilise the climate.

Climate Institute chief executive John Connor said such technology would "only get brown coal's status to black coal's threshold".

...Greens leader Christine Milne said "renewable energy is the future, not coalmines" and attacked comments Prime Minister Tony Abbott made only weeks ago, when he claimed coal was good for humanity.

"Tony Abbott could not be more wrong...."
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That article presupposes that we can't develop a clean-coal burning system.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 07:57 AM   #3
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That article presupposes that we can't develop a clean-coal burning system.
Well, we sure as hell haven't developed a "clean-coal" mining system.

All "clean-coal" technologies create are other forms of pollution, with associated disposal issues.

Let's just hope Lockheed Martin's claim of a fusion breakthrough isn't BS.
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Yes, fusion is the holy grail, that and anti gravity, along with anti matter; but it seems like such a waste to not use all that plentiful COAL.
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Yes, fusion is the holy grail, that and anti gravity, along with anti matter; but it seems like such a waste to not use all that plentiful COAL.
So many areas need to be "improved" by coal mining.


An improved location in Australia.


And all the new ponds created.


Thanks to coal, sunglasses are hardly ever needed in China.

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We take our coal mining quite seriously. When the pits are finished...they are dozed pretty flat and replanted. But you don't show this. Besides, these coal fields are so far away from "anything" that nobody directly sees them, anyway. But none of this matters. It's a fossil fuel and the world wants it. The sooner we get off fossils...the better. If the world wants to hang itself...it may as well be an Aussie rope......
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Coal produces the most CO2 per kwh of any thermal source being used. Sequestering techniques are theoretically available but the long term effects of that is still very debatable and it is very expensive. But CO2 aside, the heavy metals, sulfur and polycycle hydrocarbon emissions are down right dangerous. Again, scrubbing technology is available but the costs would absolutely kill off coal as an energy source till all oil and gas is gone.
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Coal produces the most CO2 per kwh of any thermal source being used. Sequestering techniques are theoretically available but the long term effects of that is still very debatable and it is very expensive. But CO2 aside, the heavy metals, sulfur and polycycle hydrocarbon emissions are down right dangerous. Again, scrubbing technology is available but the costs would absolutely kill off coal as an energy source till all oil and gas is gone.
Quite right. But the answer is to wean off of all fossils and not go cold turkey...because nobody ever WILL go cold turkey.
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