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Old December 10th, 2014, 11:55 AM   #1
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UN Expert Calls For Prosecution Over U.S. Torture

UN Expert Calls For Prosecution Over U.S. Torture

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All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture recognized as a serious international crime they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

"The fact that the policies revealed in this report were authorized at a high level within the U.S. government provides no excuse whatsoever. Indeed, it reinforces the need for criminal accountability," Emmerson said.

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This will be interesting to follow. It will be interested to see if Bush and his admin, as well as the CIA operatives, are hunted as Hitler was hunted for his torture and murder of the Jews, gypsies, etc.
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It would be even more interesting if Zeid Raad al-Hussein actually the treaty:


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(2) That the United States considers itself bound by the obligation under Article 16 to prevent `cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,' only insofar as the term `cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or furnishment' means the cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and/or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 12:21 PM   #3
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It would be even more interesting if Zeid Raad al-Hussein actually the treaty:
On what basis then, does the The International Criminal Court have any jurisdiction over African presidents who kill opposition members or others if they aren't breaking internal laws?
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This will be interesting to follow. It will be interested to see if Bush and his admin, as well as the CIA operatives, are hunted as Hitler was hunted for his torture and murder of the Jews, gypsies, etc.
Yeah, this would be a swell use of time, money, and resources. I guess we will have to cut funding to social programs and the military to afford it.
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On what basis then, does the The International Criminal Court have any jurisdiction over African presidents who kill opposition members or others if they aren't breaking internal laws?
Either by granting the court jurisdiction or being part of the Rome Statute. The US didn't. I don't if Canada did.
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Either by granting the court jurisdiction or being part of the Rome Statute. The US didn't. I don't if Canada did.
Thanks. I see that Canada has signed and ratified whereas according to the Wikipedia entry, this treaty has been signed but not ratified by the US.

States parties to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yeah, this would be a swell use of time, money, and resources. I guess we will have to cut funding to social programs and the military to afford it.
Well, we are already cutting funding for the secular social programs now to make way for the global international corporations.

Those who would be hunting down Bush and his administration would not be US. They would be the countries from which innocent people were taken and tortured here or in other nations. Why would we use money to hunt down Bush and Cheney and Rice and Rumsfeld? They show up on FOX talk show opinions all the time.
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Well, we are already cutting funding for the secular social programs now to make way for the global international corporations.

Those who would be hunting down Bush and his administration would not be US. They would be the countries from which innocent people were taken and tortured here or in other nations. Why would we use money to hunt down Bush and Cheney and Rice and Rumsfeld? They show up on FOX talk show opinions all the time.
What are the odds that LongSpamCommiePinko read report regarding Bush being kept in the dark?
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Who gives a Rat's Ass what the UN wants?
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Who gives a Rat's Ass what the UN wants?
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice, I would imagine.
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