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Old February 11th, 2015, 12:51 PM   #11
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Arming Ukraine could lead to escalation of Russian support: think-tank.

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(Reuters) - A decision by the West to provide arms to Ukraine could prompt a rapid escalation of Russian support for separatists battling government forces in the east of the country, a global security think-tank said on Wednesday. The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) also said the kind of hybrid warfare it said Russia was conducting in Ukraine represented a "grave threat" to NATO as the military alliance is ill-prepared to deal with it.

U.S. House of Representative members said this week they were preparing legislation to provide arms for Ukraine, something many lawmakers have been pressing for. This could prompt Moscow, which denies involvement in a conflict that has killed more than 5,000 people, to openly declare it was now supplying arms to the rebels, said Ben Barry, an analyst at IISS and a former senior British army officer. "Their behavior would be even less constrained and they can introduce additional military support much more quickly than any conceivable external supply of arms to Ukraine," said Barry, speaking at the launch of the think-tank's annual assessment of global military capabilities, The Military Balance, "If the United States and other nations chose to supply Ukraine it would take some time to tip the military balance in their favor and could probably be overmatched by more rapid Russian escalation."

Key U.S. allies in Europe are much more cautious about providing arms to Ukraine. Leaders of France and Germany joined the presidents of Russia and Ukraine in the Belarussian capital Minsk on Wednesday for a peace summit as fighting flared anew in eastern Ukraine.

IISS welcomed NATO's 'spearhead' rapid reaction force, conceived to reassure member states in eastern Europe, as an important initiative. But it said strengthening military forces on the alliance's periphery may be more important to deterring future aggression. IISS said there was "unease" about possible gaps in NATO's capacity to deal with hybrid warfare, where traditional military tools are combined with non-military such as disinformation, propaganda, provocation and cyber attacks.

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Read more: Arming Ukraine could lead to escalation of Russian support: think-tank | Reuters


It appears our supplying weapons to Kiev would not only be terrifyingly dangerous on a global scale, it would also be counter-productive (as would, no doubt, our parallel plans to send a thousand military trainers). If sending weapons is definitely going to be bad for the Ukrainians, and highly dangerous for everyone else, why are we even discussing doing it? Are the arms-pushing masters of our MIC really that much in control?
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Old February 11th, 2015, 01:11 PM   #12
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First, the International Institute for Strategic Studies staunchly supported the Iraq War.

I understand the danger of arming the Ukrainians, but I also understand that the option to doing so is for the West to watch Ukraine continue being destroyed.

What do you see as an option to watching Ukraine being destroyed?

And, what do you have to say about honoring the Budapest Memorandum?
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First, the International Institute for Strategic Studies staunchly supported the Iraq War.

I understand the danger of arming the Ukrainians, but I also understand that the option to doing so is for the West to watch Ukraine continue being destroyed.

What do you see as an option to watching Ukraine being destroyed?

And, what do you have to say about honoring the Budapest Memorandum?
Do you not believe that Putin could have rolled into Kiev by now if he wanted to ? With winter coming to an end, perhaps Germany would be willing to stiffen economic sanctions and freezing Russia out of the international banking system.
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Minsk-2 took place to rescue NATO mercenaries from entrapment in Donbass
13.02.2015

The Ukrainian army has been trying to unblock the Debaltsevo entrapment during the past two days. Well-trained, fresh units of the Ukrainian forces attempted to go on massive offensive, Artem Timchenko, an MP from Novorossiya, the Chairman of the Committee for International Relations, said an in interview with Pravda.Ru.

If militia forces manage keep their positions by February 15, the day of the armistice, then the 10,000-strong Ukrainian contingent (ten percent of them are foreign mercenaries) blocked in the Debaltsevo entrapment may disrupt the Minsk agreement, the MP told Pravda.Ru. According to Timchenko, the initiatives of French President Hollande and German Chancellor Merkel to hold the Minsk-2 conference are related to the fact that there are NATO mercenaries and instructors in the entrapment.

Minsk-2 took place to rescue NATO mercenaries from entrapment in Donbass - English pravda.ru
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First, the International Institute for Strategic Studies staunchly supported the Iraq War.

I understand the danger of arming the Ukrainians, but I also understand that the option to doing so is for the West to watch Ukraine continue being destroyed.

What do you see as an option to watching Ukraine being destroyed?

And, what do you have to say about honoring the Budapest Memorandum?
Henry IV, part 1: (spoken by Falstaff) "A plague upon it when thieves cannot be true one to another!"

In other words...there is no honour among thieves.
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Russia was invaded by one MILLION Ukrainian men of military age, hiding from Poroshenko - official data
January 31, 2015

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More than one million male citizens of Ukraine, which is currently in the process of the fourth wave of mobilization, are already on the territory of the Russian Federation, which was declared by the resolution of Verkhovnaya Rada as the "aggressor".

Russia was invaded by one MILLION Ukrainian men of military age, hiding from Poroshenko - official data - Fort Russ
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Russia was invaded by one MILLION Ukrainian men of military age, hiding from Poroshenko - official data
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More than one million male citizens of Ukraine, which is currently in the process of the fourth wave of mobilization, are already on the territory of the Russian Federation, which was declared by the resolution of Verkhovnaya Rada as the "aggressor".

Russia was invaded by one MILLION Ukrainian men of military age, hiding from Poroshenko - official data - Fort Russ


Really? You're kidding, right?
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western European and American zombies, 20,000…

•20,000 increase in Ukrainian men a week seeking refuge in Russia, to avoid Porky’s military draft.
•1.193 million Ukrainian men, conscription age, now staying in Russia.
•2.5 million Ukrainian nationals (refugees) currently being taken care of (feed, clothed, etc…) in Russia.

ITAR TASS Reports…


“About 2.5 million Ukrainian nationals, including 1.193 million men of conscription age, are staying in the territory of Russia,” the FMS told TASS. More than 850,000 people have arrived from Ukraine’s south-eastern regions.

“About 440,000 people who were forced to leave south-eastern Ukraine have applied for a refugee status, temporary shelter or temporary residence permit,” the FMS press service went on to say.

Russia has 531 temporary refugee centers in its territory for 27,000 Ukrainian refugees.

If Russia is Ukraine's enemy then why are 1.2 million Ukrainian men seeking refuge in Russia? - Red Pill Times
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Ukraine is on the brink of economic collapse.

CNNMoney (London) March 5, 2015:

Its central bank raised benchmark interest rates from 19.5% to 30% effective Wednesday. Ukraine's currency, the hryvnia, has lost nearly 70% of its value against the dollar in just a year. GDP shrank by 7% in 2014.

Ukraine's economy teeters towards collapse - Mar. 4, 2015
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Ukraine is on the brink of economic collapse.

CNNMoney (London) March 5, 2015:

Its central bank raised benchmark interest rates from 19.5% to 30% effective Wednesday. Ukraine's currency, the hryvnia, has lost nearly 70% of its value against the dollar in just a year. GDP shrank by 7% in 2014.

Ukraine's economy teeters towards collapse - Mar. 4, 2015
Absolutely nothing quite so wonderful, or so deeply appreciated, as the gift of a frozen conflict bequeathed to a government trying to reform itself and recover from decades of theft by government officials and corrupt oligarchs.

The odds on deep reform for Ukraine never were too high, but now, thanks to you Vlad, they're all but impossible.

Ya gotta say, thanks one whole hell of a lot there ol' Vlad, right on, or should I say, ride on, good buddy?

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