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Old February 22nd, 2015, 09:41 PM   #41
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It is often claimed that these adjustments are needed to “correct” errors in the historic record, or compensate for station moves. All of which makes the adjustment at Valentia Observatory even more nonsensical.

Valentia Observatory, situated in SW Ireland, is regarded as one of the highest quality meteorological stations in the world, located at the same site since 1892, well away from any urban or other non climatic biases. The Irish Met Office say this:-
Since the setting up of the Irish Meteorological Service, the work programme of the Observatory has greatly expanded and it has always been equipped with the most technologically advanced equipment and instrumentation. The Observatory is well known and very highly regarded by the scientific community. As well as fulfilling its national and international role within Met Éireann it is involved in many projects with other scientific bodies both in Ireland and abroad.


If we cannot get accurate temperature trends in Valentia, we cannot get them anywhere. Yet the GHCN algorithm decides that the actual temperatures measured there do not look right, and lops 0.4C off temperatures before 1967.

Worse still, the algorithm uses a bunch of hopelessly unreliable urban sites, as far away as Paris, to decide upon the “correct temperature”, as Ronan Connolly illustrated.


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Old February 22nd, 2015, 09:48 PM   #42
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 09:52 PM   #43
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This is how the Wizard's of the Universe get their 'record' warmth, (Gray areas represent missing data - as it says in the lower right corner of NOAA's chart), by infilling those gray areas with imaginary temperatures. Warm temperatures, naturally.





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Old February 23rd, 2015, 03:24 AM   #44
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Although the following graph compares global temperature anomaly data from lower troposphere satellite-based temperature measurements with surface-based instrument measurements, which should inevitably be a bit different since they represent measurements at different altitudes, the overall global temperature anamoly trends of both types of measurements that are taken at different altitudes are rather similar in the sense that they both demonstrate a set of warming trends even though their respective trends are understandably a bit different in magnitude.



http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/...emperature.svg



(And I'll add that it shouldn't be much of a surprise that there is a far wider variation in year-to-year data from the satellite-based lower troposphere temperature anomaly measurements when compared to the year-to-year variation of the instrument-based surface temperature anamoly measurements due to the surface temperature year-to-year variation dampening influence of the world's oceans.)

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When it's warm on the west coast (like now) it's cold back east.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 10:28 AM   #46
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Why does that conflict with the reality here?
It's called GLOBAL WARMING, not WHERE PN IS LIVING WARMING.
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Regarding the Monckton, Soon, Legates, & Briggs (2015)...ummm...study...

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Okay, I finally succumbed and actually waded through some of the new paper by Monckton, Soon, Legates & Briggs called Why models run hot: results from an irreducibly simple climate model. I did it, so you don’t have to (and believe me, it’s really not worth it). I’m not even sure I actually quite get it, since it is so chock full of stuff that doesn’t really make a great deal of sense.

I, however, think I’ve worked it out. According to their model, temperature T_t at time t after a change in forcing Delta F_t is given by

Delta T_t = q_t^{-1} * Delta F_t * r_t * lambda_o * (1 - g)^{-1},

where q_t is the fraction of the forcing due to CO2, r_t is the fraction of the equilibrium response attained by time t, lambda_o is the no-feedback sensitivity, and g is the feedback factor, or closed-loop gain.

Figure 5 from Monckton et al. (2015):



The fundamental figure is the figure (above), which illustrates how the feedback factor, or closed-loop gain, would influence climate sensitivity. Now, as is clear from the figure, the maximum value for the closed-loop gain – or feedback factor g – allowed by process engineers designing electronic circuits intended not to oscillate under any operating conditions, is 0.1. Therefore, since no process engineer would possibly design our climate to have a feedback factor greater than this, feedbacks have to be small, and the equilibrium climate sensitivity has to be about 1K per doubling of CO2.

So, there you have it, we can’t warm much over the coming century because the designers wouldn’t have designed a system that would allow for this. Of course, I should be honest and admit that I may have misunderstood the paper, but that’s mostly because it’s gobbledygook.

P.S. : Just (in) case the tone of this post isn’t completely obvious, no, our climate was not designed by process engineers and, no, the feedback factor is not constrained to be small.


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Soon was made a millionaire by the fossil fuel industry. Garbage in, Garbage out.
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Soon was made a millionaire by the fossil fuel industry.

I'm sure you can prove this.

And how are you keeping warm this winter, other than with "fossil fuels"?




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If Global warming is true.
How the hell can money help? (carbon taxes, etc)

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