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Old April 3rd, 2015, 12:37 PM   #31
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Actually, this was one of the first thoughts I had while reading the original version of the Indiana law. But, you are right on every point and then some. This was tried years ago (before Christians decided they were under attack) and I believe it failed at both the State and Federal levels.

I take the whole thing as satire or farce. It was intended to ridicule the whole notion of the RFRAs. As such it makes an interesting point about unintended consequences.
Just this month the The Life Center: A Spiritual Community church in Florida was stripped of their tax exempt status for creating a church to circumvent a law.

I think the majority of states will legalize marijuana usage in the not too distant future, but until a state does change the law, no one is going to beat a state's compelling interest in a court of law regarding drug laws.
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 12:42 PM   #32
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Was it not the prosecution of a Native for using peyote in a native religious ceremony the instigator of the federal version? So if it works for peyote for their religion, why can't it work on pot for the Cannatarians?
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Was it not the prosecution of a Native for using peyote in a native religious ceremony the instigator of the federal version? So if it works for peyote for their religion, why can't it work on pot for the Cannatarians?
There was legislation involved: The American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978.
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Rastafarians can toke up.

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Federal Court Rules in Rastafarian Case

In an opinion issued Tuesday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, some marijuana-using Rastafarians may be protected under a religious-freedom law passed by Congress in 1993.
The case began in 1991 when Benny Guerrero, returning from a trip to Hawaii, was stopped by officials at Guam's international airport. Mr. Guerrero evidently attracted the eyes of authority because he was carrying a book about Rastafarianism and marijuana. A search of Guerrero's luggage turned up five ounces of marijuana and some Cannabis seeds. He was arrested and charged with importation of a controlled substance.

In his defense, Guerrero argued that he was a practicing Rastafarian and that his use of marijuana was religious. His importation of the herb was, he argued, protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, a law that blocks the federal government from unjustifiably infringing on a person's practice of religion.

After litigating the case for more than ten years, the Ninth Circuit ruled on Tuesday that while the Religious Freedom Restoration Act might protect some Rastafarians who possess or smoke marijuana as part of their religious practices, it does not protect the importation of marijuana, even if that marijuana was intended for religious use. According to the Ninth Circuit, while the practice of Rastafarianism sanctions the smoking of marijuana, nowhere does the religion sanction the importation of marijuana.

As Guerrero's lawyer Graham Boyd pointed out in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, the court's ruling was "equivalent to saying wine is a necessary sacrament for some Christians but you have to grow your own grapes."
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Was it not the prosecution of a Native for using peyote in a native religious ceremony the instigator of the federal version? So if it works for peyote for their religion, why can't it work on pot for the Cannatarians?
Because the War on Drugs is really only a war on cannabis and civil liberties of the individual. It is not a war on peyote so...there you have it, no money in prosecuting peyote, lots of money and power in prosecuting cannabis cases.
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Benny Guerrero lost.
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I feel the same way about those who consume beverage alcohol...at least while they are under the influence. The use of beverage alcohol or cannabis does not undermine the credibility of the users position.
In a court of law it does speak to the credibility of the user to a judge, lawyer, and jury.
While driving too....

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As far as what constitutes a religion goes...well, have you looked at some of the crap already recognized as a religion or as legitimate religious belief? Scientology all by itself makes a religion recognizing cannabis as a sacrament seem downright mainstream.
Pointing out other asinine groups that claim to be a religion does not justify getting high as a religion nor mainstream unless one was in some hell hole
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As to asking about others usage it is sort of a reflection of the paranoia generated in that sub-culture by the "War on Drugs". I know because I have been a member of that sub-culture for about four decades. I can be honest now because I live in Colorado, am retired and will never live in any other state. Maybe he can't.
So you are admitting to being an illegal drug user for over forty years?
Shocked, shocked I tell you.
Like General Lobsterfest, it doesn't take an Einstein to see your posts are not the product of someone with a PhD in Physics and clearly more likely the posts of someone who does bong hits for breakfast and works at McDonalds.
Maybe you should move to Jamaica?

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I have to say, even for you, that was a ill-composed, poorly thought out and nonsensical post. Hate just doesn't drive creativity...or maybe you are just functionally illiterate. It is hard to be sure.
LMAO!
You sure seemed to be able to understand my post in spite of admitted illegal drug use so I obviously got my point across.
Since you as a drug user hated my post I'd have to say I hit a bulleye!
POW!

One toke over the line, sweet Jesus, one toke over the line....
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I wonder if you started the "First Church of Crystal Meth" that would make meth consumption legal under this law.

Walter White would be the new Jesus.
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Benny Guerrero lost.
As I read the article, he lost on the basis if importing pot remained illegal. Not on the basis of using the pot as part of the religion.

The Guam Supreme Court agreed that RFRA protected a Rastafarian’s right to use cannabis for religious purposes.
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Can I assume from your post that you are a pothead?

You other posts make it a safe assumption that you are far from a sober and level headed individual....

I need not point out the quality or lack thereof of someone's opinion who proudly abuses illegal mind altering drugs.
No where have I said that I consume mind altering drugs and, further on, I would never post if I was.
I do, and have since 1967.

Does the Nowhere Man sitting in his nowhere land, have any nowhere points to make for nobody?
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