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Old April 12th, 2015, 05:01 AM   #1
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Obama says partisanship wrangling over Iran nuclear deal 'needs to stop'

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President Obama said Saturday that partisan wrangling over the nuclear agreement with Iran has gone beyond pale and said the harsh criticism of the deal “needs to stop.”
Obama says partisanship wrangling over Iran nuclear deal 'needs to stop' | Fox News

There could be no partnership with a radical terrorist-supporting state, there should be no dialogue with Iran until it stops supporting Hezbollah and other Islamic radicals. Every obligation they make today will be broken tomorrow. Alliance with Israel is torn to pieces, Iran claims regional dominance and international trade will only help them, strengthening the economy.
Could anyone explain me what the US is getting from this deal?
(inb4 no nuclear weapons in Iran, it is BS anyways)
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Old April 12th, 2015, 05:20 AM   #2
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It's pretty simple actually. Past foreign policy in the Middle East has proven to be a disaster. Iraq was a disaster that paved the way for the emergence of ISIS because the Bush Administration handed the government and military over to the Iran-friendly Shia. The sanctions policy that has been in place to punish Iran's nuclear program has seen a program go from 150 centrifuges to 19,000 centrifuges. A failed policy by anyone's accounting. Israel prefers a militaristic policy towards Iran and can't seem to get this President to bow to them like past Presidents have. These were the same people that urged us to attack a Iraq stating that it would spread Democracy throughout the Middle East. To answer your question, this President has recognized the failure of past U.S. / Middle East policy and has plotted a different pathway forward.
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It's pretty simple actually. Past foreign policy in the Middle East has proven to be a disaster. Iraq was a disaster that paved the way for the emergence of ISIS because the Bush Administration handed the government and military over to the Iran-friendly Shia. The sanctions policy that has been in place to punish Iran's nuclear program has seen a program go from 150 centrifuges to 19,000 centrifuges. A failed policy by anyone's accounting. Israel prefers a militaristic policy towards Iran and can't seem to get this President to bow to them like past Presidents have. These were the same people that urged us to attack a Iraq stating that it would spread Democracy throughout the Middle East. To answer your question, this President has recognized the failure of past U.S. / Middle East policy and has plotted a different pathway forward.
Don't forget the president considers Iraqi withdrawal a huge diplomatic success. You know what's going on in Iraq and Syria right now and Mr Obama is the one to blame for this. With US troops still located the world would never disasters like ISIS.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 08:16 AM   #4
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Don't forget the president considers Iraqi withdrawal a huge diplomatic success. You know what's going on in Iraq and Syria right now and Mr Obama is the one to blame for this. With US troops still located the world would never disasters like ISIS.
No, dissolving Iraq's government and military and then handing it over to the Iran-friendly Shia set the stage for ISIS. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 08:24 AM   #5
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Why can't people understand. Previous strategy wrt Iran results in them greatly increasing their nuke development capability.

This process promises to reverse that, with sufficient monitoring that any cheating will be known.

So either a long term peaceful fix is in place or the Iranians will have had the sanctions reduced or eliminated for only a short period of time.

So the risk is very small and the prize is huge.
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Why can't people understand. Previous strategy wrt Iran results in them greatly increasing their nuke development capability.

This process promises to reverse that, with sufficient monitoring that any cheating will be known.

So either a long term peaceful fix is in place or the Iranians will have had the sanctions reduced or eliminated for only a short period of time.

So the risk is very small and the prize is huge.
Exactly, this Lewis character obfiscates on his own thread. I was merely pointing out that our Middle East policy over the past two decades has been a failure including the Iranian sanctions. Since 2003 when Bush turned down negotiations with Iran, they have gone from 150 centrifuges to 19,000 centrifuges. How is that anyone's definition of success ? Now they have 19,000 centrifuges, a 3 month breakout period and a hell of a lot more leverage. So the Right wing wants to keep on doing what we've been doing for 2 decades. How idiotic.
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How about going thru the proper channels?
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Don't forget the president considers Iraqi withdrawal a huge diplomatic success. You know what's going on in Iraq and Syria right now and Mr Obama is the one to blame for this. With US troops still located the world would never disasters like ISIS.
UH Excuse me, but I do believe the timeline for troop withdrawal was negotiated by BUSH !!!! Bush spent years saying he would refuse to discuss a timeline. When Obama brought it up during the campaign it polled off the charts. Bush made a "secret" trip to Iraq and suddenly a few weeks before the election, he announces an agreement.

Our utter and complete failure in Iraq is Bush's mess from start to finish. Soup to nuts. End of story.

And again I ask, WHAT'S YOUR SOLUTION TO IRAN ???? What would YOU do as president ???
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Mr Obama is the one
he is not Mr Obama
He is President Obama
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