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Old April 29th, 2015, 05:56 PM   #1
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More Comes Out About Freddie Gray

Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ?banging against the walls? during ride - The Washington Post

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A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner’s version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.

Gray was found unconscious in the wagon when it arrived at a police station on April 12. The 25-year-old had suffered a spinal injury and died a week later, touching off waves of protests across Baltimore, capped by a riot Monday in which hundreds of angry residents torched buildings, looted stores and pelted police officers with rocks.

Police have said they do not know whether Gray was injured during the arrest* or during his 30-minute ride in the van. Local police and the U.S. Justice Department both have launched investigations of Gray’s death.
*Obvioulsy he was not injured that seriously during the arrest as we can see from the video out there.


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Old April 29th, 2015, 06:01 PM   #2
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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ?banging against the walls? during ride - The Washington Post



*Obvioulsy he was not injured that seriously during the arrest as we can see from the video out there.


Also, the guy ran because he had outstanding warrants. Today the news reports say the police interrogation will not be made public. Which tells me there's probably not enough evidence to charge the police.
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So the story now in that the injuries were self-inflicted? You cannot be serious. This has as much credibility as anything else I suppose if you are intent on exonerating the police. It is on a par with the "credible threat" of a coalition of street gangs going after cops.

It did not appear to me that Gray was walking after the arrest. I have heard that the police said he "refused" to walk so they dragged him. The most logical explanation seems to be that he sustained the injuries during the arrest. Dragging him to the van just made the injuries worse. They didn't listen to his cries of pain because they didn't have to and didn't care.

It looks like the best they could be charged with might be involuntary manslaughter. They didn't mean to kill him but they showed a callus disregard for his safety during the whole event.
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Old April 29th, 2015, 06:25 PM   #4
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Many of these guys who have been arrested a dozen or more times, and when they have an audience, will act out. He turns his head himself when being placed in the van, and seems able to stand. The cops get this act all the time, and occasionally it is likely that someone will be truly hurting, they just turn it off after being played a certain number of times.

Anyway, if the other prisoner is telling the truth, Freddie Gray was able to bang around in the van on his own. They should have video cams in those vans.


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If standing under his own power on the back bumper of the van wasn't proof enough that he did not have a severed spine before he was placed in the van, then this prisoners testimony, assuming the story is accurate, is proof positive that he injured his spine in the van. There had to be a logical reason why the police felt it necessary to stop the van a few blocks away to place the guy in leg restraints. My best guess is still that he jumped up to give the cage behind the driver a double kick and, with his hands cuffed behind his back, had nothing to break his fall but his neck and shoulders.
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yea, there is no way he could have been thrashing around in that paddy wagon with a severed spinal cord. it just is not possible. and he wouldn't have felt any pain, he would have been numb and paralyzed. if he wasn't breathing then the injury to his spinal cord was very high up near his neck. if he was paralyzed from the neck down there is no way he could have stepped up into that van. he had to have injured himself or maybe the cops did it when they stopped to restrain his legs. did the other prisoner say anything about the cops beating him in the van?
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This is a leaked report, obviously from the someone in the Baltimore Police Department, and clearly is false. Anyone thrashing all around and attempting to injure themselves in the manner being claimed about this man, would have other injuries. He did not. Nor could someone almost completely sever their spine from doing that. And this report just goes to show why people freak out! This coming from the Baltimore Police is showing these people that they cannot, in fact, expect any justice from the police in this at all. And they wonder why people become incensed and boil over. PFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTT.............
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He wasn't thrashing around that wagon. And when the police did open those doors, he was unresponsive. Do we take the words of murderers as truth when they argue against their own guilt? o, we don't. So why would anyone trust those accused of wrongdoing here, to investigate and truthfully report on what happened to this man?
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He wasn't thrashing around that wagon. And when the police did open those doors, he was unresponsive. Do we take the words of murderers as truth when they argue against their own guilt? o, we don't. So why would anyone trust those accused of wrongdoing here, to investigate and truthfully report on what happened to this man?
He stood on the back bumper under his own power, turned his head and then bent down to enter the paddy wagon. A person with a severed spinal cord would not be able to do that. I don't need to rely on news reports when my own eyes are all that's required to determine that his spinal injury happened AFTER he was placed in the van.
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He wasn't thrashing around that wagon.
And you know this how?
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