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Old May 28th, 2015, 09:57 AM   #1
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Jewish Teacher Sues Colorado School District Over Evangelical Events on School Ground

Federal suit claims a high school "operates largely to promote the evangelical Christian ideals" of a nearby church.

Jewish Teacher Sues Colorado School District Over Evangelical Events on School Grounds | Alternet

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. . ., which claims both the school and district condoned prayer and Bible study on campus. Basevitz, who is Jewish, has accused the district of creating an unwelcoming environment by affiliating with Randy Pfaff, a pastor at The Cowboy Church at Crossroads and reportedly a regular fixture at Florence High School.

According to the Denver Post, Pfaff’s church rents space in the Florence cafeteria for its Sunday morning services, and also hosts regular prayer before school each day as well as Bible study during lunch. The pastor has maintained that all religious activities on campus are voluntary, though Basevitz’s suit claims the school makes announcement about church-affiliated events over its intercom system. Basevitz’s attorney, Paul Maxon, also asserts that the administration condoned the handing out of Bibles and pamphlets with references to Scripture.

“Public institutions are supposed to be equally welcoming and accepting of everybody … but Mr. Basevitz didn’t find a welcoming atmosphere,” Maxon said, adding, “This is not one or two isolated incidents. On a single day, there were no less than five school-sponsored religious events … That is a pervasive involvement with religion, which is illegal."
All right. Let's go Judaism. And now let's hear from the Christians. Time to stop this cult spreading itself into any more of the institutions than it already has. Time to weed it out.
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I went to a public high school in a suburb of Memphis, Tennessee in the early 1980's. My (public) high school principal was a fundy who did whatever he could to bend the rules about the separation of church and state at every turn.

Once there was a school meeting about the dangers of teen suicide. None of us had committed suicide, but there had to be a meeting on it (like a pep rally..'Say no to suicide...life, hell yea!' or not). Who did the principal invite to speak.....but members of the local Southern Baptist megachurch! In a public school of kids of very various religious stripes. My school then was about 90% white, but we had Jews, Catholics, 99 flavors of Protestants, even a stray Mormon (I knew a girl who was) or two. Why invite the Baptist Church? This was over 30 years ago, and this memory is fragmented, but these Baptist folks were talking about how life is the best and all that. No psychologists, no professionals, just these religious folk, in a public school. This was the same principal who barred (after I graduated) the Indigo Girls for being lesbians, but this was the 1990's before the homosexuals overthrew the government and media, so there weren't lots of men wearing dresses and women in flannel showing up at the principal's door with pitchforks and torches with lawyers filing frivilous lawsuits for pain and suffering. if the Indigo Girls came now, the principal would have kissed their butts like they were Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings.

Our PUBLIC school also had a CLICK group. Christ Living In Christian Kids. An official club that met on school grounds once or twice a month. ACLU took this group to task and there was a big stink about it, but this was one of the largest groups on the campus. CLICK annoyed the Jewish kids, so it wasn't completely worthless. I hate to say that I forgot how the lawsuit by the ACLU ended up, I know some FB people so I will ask. But this was also the early Reagan years and the country tilted right and got more religious, while in 1980, voting out the Born Again Christian married to the wife of his youth for someone who had no strong religious faith and a divorcee. Go figure.

Organized religion and especially organized "school prayer" has no place in schools. I would argue with a fundy that actually these laws protect them! How in the hell is the government going to come up with a prayer in a diverse student body? Again, my school was 90 percent white but we had a wide spectrum of religious beliefs. Can't just pray to "God" because the Buddhists, Hindus and non practicing religious people would be out of the loop. Just cannot be done. Also, fundys, it is NOT ILLEGAL to pray in school. Find the law. Not illegal to close one's eyes tight, fold hands and mumble to the belief of reaching a deity. Students pray all the time, especially this time of the year with final exams in high schools and colleges. Not illegal for a group of kids to sit in the cafeteria and read the Bible and pray.

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I went to a public high school in a suburb of Memphis, Tennessee in the early 1980's. My (public) high school principal was a fundy who did whatever he could to bend the rules about the separation of church and state at every turn.

Once there was a school meeting about the dangers of teen suicide. None of us had committed suicide, but there had to be a meeting on it (like a pep rally..'Say no to suicide...life, hell yea!' or not). Who did the principal invite to speak.....but members of the local Southern Baptist megachurch! In a public school of kids of very various religious stripes. My school then was about 90% white, but we had Jews, Catholics, 99 flavors of Protestants, even a stray Mormon (I knew a girl who was) or two. Why invite the Baptist Church? This was over 30 years ago, and this memory is fragmented, but these Baptist folks were talking about how life is the best and all that. No psychologists, no professionals, just these religious folk, in a public school. This was the same principal who barred (after I graduated) the Indigo Girls for being lesbians, but this was the 1990's before the homosexuals overthrew the government and media, so there weren't lots of men wearing dresses and women in flannel showing up at the principal's door with pitchforks and torches with lawyers filing frivilous lawsuits for pain and suffering. if the Indigo Girls came now, the principal would have kissed their butts like they were Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings.

Our PUBLIC school also had a CLICK group. Christ Living In Christian Kids. An official club that met on school grounds once or twice a month. ACLU took this group to task and there was a big stink about it, but this was one of the largest groups on the campus. CLICK annoyed the Jewish kids, so it wasn't completely worthless. I hate to say that I forgot how the lawsuit by the ACLU ended up, I know some FB people so I will ask. But this was also the early Reagan years and the country tilted right and got more religious, while in 1980, voting out the Born Again Christian married to the wife of his youth for someone who had no strong religious faith and a divorcee. Go figure.

Organized religion and especially organized "school prayer" has no place in schools. I would argue with a fundy that actually these laws protect them! How in the hell is the government going to come up with a prayer in a diverse student body? Again, my school was 90 percent white but we had a wide spectrum of religious beliefs. Can't just pray to "God" because the Buddhists, Hindus and non practicing religious people would be out of the loop. Just cannot be done. Also, fundys, it is NOT ILLEGAL to pray in school. Find the law. Not illegal to close one's eyes tight, fold hands and mumble to the belief of reaching a deity. Students pray all the time, especially this time of the year with final exams in high schools and colleges. Not illegal for a group of kids to sit in the cafeteria and read the Bible and pray.
Thank you so much for taking the time to post that. At times I feel like I am the only person in America who actually understands that SC ruling. To find another that will say as much is heartening.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to post that. At times I feel like I am the only person in America who actually understands that SC ruling. To find another that will say as much is heartening.

I'll smoke a chillum of NYC Diesel in appreciation...right now.
As I had stated before, I have no problem w/ an organization renting out space from a school or an other public building during its off time as long as it takes its propaganda w/ them when they are done. This is frickin ridiculous! I would flip if this was one of the schools that my kids go to! That is WAY over the line. Not even close to a gray area. A straight up infection of religion. It's crazy self righteous blowhards like these that give credit to those who (rightfully so in this case) feel that the schools shouldn't be allowed to rent to churches. This "need"'for the ultra religious to convert people into their antiquated belief structure is mind boggling. Can't you just keep your mythology to yourselves?
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The Right wing claims that Christianity is under attack when, in truth, they are the ones that are imposing their opinions on everyone else.
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As I had stated before, I have no problem w/ an organization renting out space from a school or an other public building during its off time as long as it takes its propaganda w/ them when they are done. This is frickin ridiculous! I would flip if this was one of the schools that my kids go to! That is WAY over the line. Not even close to a gray area. A straight up infection of religion. It's crazy self righteous blowhards like these that give credit to those who (rightfully so in this case) feel that the schools shouldn't be allowed to rent to churches. This "need"'for the ultra religious to convert people into their antiquated belief structure is mind boggling. Can't you just keep your mythology to yourselves?
Actually, their religion obligates them to proselytize...much as Islam does.
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The Right wing claims that Christianity is under attack when, in truth, they are the ones that are imposing their opinions on everyone else.
Isn't that interesting...just like the cops in Baltimore!
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Isn't that interesting...just like the cops in Baltimore!
Poor analogy. We charge the police specifically with dealing with crime. We charged the church infiltrating a school with NOTHING.
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Poor analogy. We charge the police specifically with dealing with crime. We charged the church infiltrating a school with NOTHING.
Well, maybe this Jewish teacher will be successful in starting a trend to get this cult out of our government.
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