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Old June 26th, 2015, 01:49 PM   #71
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Hmmmm, a coincidence that gay marriage just got approved by the SCOTUS??
So they oppose each other on this?
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Old June 26th, 2015, 01:51 PM   #73
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No, it is the symbol of good ole' manly American men.
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Old June 26th, 2015, 01:55 PM   #74
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So they oppose each other on this?
LOL no idea, I was just screwing around.
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LOL no idea, I was just screwing around.
Heh. First guesses aren't always far off the mark.
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Old June 26th, 2015, 02:32 PM   #76
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You have the right to your own opinion, but you don't have the right to your own facts. That flag represent treason and hate. I never said that it should be totally illegal. However, it should be illegal for the government to fly that flag. State and federal.

Question. Would you honor a family member if he or she was a nazi? You know, with the nazi flag and all?
Well, thank you for so graciously extending me the right to my own opinion. Very White of you. However, you seem to be confusing fact with opinion. As in, it is your opinion that the flag stands treason and hate (and only that I would assume. My opinion is that it means many things to many people. It is only a piece of cloth and nothing more...it means what each person believes it means. To some a symbol of hate and evil, to others the symbol of a proud but ill-fated culture, still others see just the flag of a defeated army...but each is correct for themselves. To them that is their fact. So, I guess, in some cases, we are entitled to our own facts...but only when they are really just opinions.

If I had family that had been Nazi's I might well be proud of them as I would have been raised in their culture. If I were German, I would not be at liberty to use the Nazi flag in any way...even in my own home, last I checked. But, I might anyway if I had been raised in that culture. Who can say?

You don't seem very committed to freedom of speech or expression (or thought for that matter). Why should we all have to accept YOUR opinion as to the meaning of the flag? Why shouldn't you have to accept mine...it is more inclusive (and closer to REAL fact)?
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Does this mean any though of an intimate relationship is totally out of the question?
Come onnnnnnn!!!!

You and everybody else, well most everybody else, KNOW Fayt has eyes only for me. You are old and fat. I'm just old.
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No one is preventing any citizens from flying a Confederate flag. However, it being flown on government property is a very troubling statement being made by said government or state. And should not be allowed since in is indeed from the losing side of a war bout slavery and is used as a symbol of racial hatred and oppression.
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Unless I am mistaken, the EP only FREED the slaves in the rebellious territories...not in the loyal states. It did not abolition slavery anywhere. Oddly, the EP caused some significant problems for Northern armies...particularly Sherman on his "March to the Sea".
It was a was a military policy and only freed the slave in the states that seceded, and not the border states or the Union states. It had the same effect as issuing a proclamation to Hitler that the war was over in 1943.
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It was a was a military policy and only freed the slave in the states that seceded, and not the border states or the Union states. It had the same effect as issuing a proclamation to Hitler that the war was over in 1943.
It had some very significant political effects, especially when combined with the Unions stunning victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg in the summer of 1863.
The CSA from early in the war had been courting both France and England for both diplomatic recognition and military help. The EP had a great deal to do to ending any success of that effort. Politically, once the EP came out it would have been very hard for either France or England to support the CSA as slavery had been illegal in those countries for quite some time and was not at all popular there. Combine that fact with the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg and it was clear to all the CSA was a lost cause.
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