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Old July 10th, 2015, 06:45 AM   #1
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Colorado Supreme Court Rules Public Money For Religious Schools Is Un Constitutional

Colorado Supreme Court Rules Using Public School Money For Private Religious Instruction is Unconstitutional


....An opinion piece in the “Tennessean” further clarifies what Turley, and any American with more than a pea-brain, understands about the evangelical Republican drive to “force” taxpayers to fund private Christian schools as education reform. They write that “Its (Christian instruction) backers are promoting it as a charitable alternative for students trapped in failing public schools. This, however, is a disingenuous campaign that, if successful, would further undermine the state’s already vulnerable public education system, while supporting religious schools across the state;” but only Christian religious schools that predictably contribute to America’s overwhelmingly ignorant populace.

Besides being blatantly unconstitutional, study after research after mounds of empirical data show that these phony evangelical Republican “education reform” plans promise results but deliver nothing but failure and student incompetence borne of “bible-based instruction.” For example, in just one of many, many reports, a 2011 study found that students participating in a Scott Walker Milwaukee program were woefully lagging behind their public school counterparts in both math and reading. In another analysis of Louisiana’s religious voucher program funded with stolen public school money released in 2013 found that only 40 percent of third through eighth graders receiving religious school vouchers barely scored at their respective grade level on statewide tests in English, math, social studies and science. By comparison, 69 percent of all third through eighth grade public school students statewide scored above grade level on those exact same tests. Religious instruction, like charter schools, guarantees Republicans the ignorant electoral base they depend on to exist, and dooms America to maintain its exceptional status as a stupid nation.
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Colorado Supreme Court Rules Using Public School Money For Private Religious Instruction is Unconstitutional


....An opinion piece in the “Tennessean” further clarifies what Turley, and any American with more than a pea-brain, understands about the evangelical Republican drive to “force” taxpayers to fund private Christian schools as education reform. They write that “Its (Christian instruction) backers are promoting it as a charitable alternative for students trapped in failing public schools. This, however, is a disingenuous campaign that, if successful, would further undermine the state’s already vulnerable public education system, while supporting religious schools across the state;” but only Christian religious schools that predictably contribute to America’s overwhelmingly ignorant populace.

Besides being blatantly unconstitutional, study after research after mounds of empirical data show that these phony evangelical Republican “education reform” plans promise results but deliver nothing but failure and student incompetence borne of “bible-based instruction.” For example, in just one of many, many reports, a 2011 study found that students participating in a Scott Walker Milwaukee program were woefully lagging behind their public school counterparts in both math and reading. In another analysis of Louisiana’s religious voucher program funded with stolen public school money released in 2013 found that only 40 percent of third through eighth graders receiving religious school vouchers barely scored at their respective grade level on statewide tests in English, math, social studies and science. By comparison, 69 percent of all third through eighth grade public school students statewide scored above grade level on those exact same tests. Religious instruction, like charter schools, guarantees Republicans the ignorant electoral base they depend on to exist, and dooms America to maintain its exceptional status as a stupid nation.

There's a question going around on the internet why our students are falling so far behind the students of other industrialized countries.
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Besides being blatantly unconstitutional, study after research after mounds of empirical data show that these phony evangelical Republican “education reform” plans promise results but deliver nothing but failure and student incompetence borne of “bible-based instruction.
Can skews explain why Christian private schools outperform secular public schools?
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Colorado Supreme Court Rules Using Public School Money For Private Religious Instruction is Unconstitutional


....An opinion piece in the “Tennessean” further clarifies what Turley, and any American with more than a pea-brain, understands about the evangelical Republican drive to “force” taxpayers to fund private Christian schools as education reform. They write that “Its (Christian instruction) backers are promoting it as a charitable alternative for students trapped in failing public schools. This, however, is a disingenuous campaign that, if successful, would further undermine the state’s already vulnerable public education system, while supporting religious schools across the state;” but only Christian religious schools that predictably contribute to America’s overwhelmingly ignorant populace.

Besides being blatantly unconstitutional, study after research after mounds of empirical data show that these phony evangelical Republican “education reform” plans promise results but deliver nothing but failure and student incompetence borne of “bible-based instruction.” For example, in just one of many, many reports, a 2011 study found that students participating in a Scott Walker Milwaukee program were woefully lagging behind their public school counterparts in both math and reading. In another analysis of Louisiana’s religious voucher program funded with stolen public school money released in 2013 found that only 40 percent of third through eighth graders receiving religious school vouchers barely scored at their respective grade level on statewide tests in English, math, social studies and science. By comparison, 69 percent of all third through eighth grade public school students statewide scored above grade level on those exact same tests. Religious instruction, like charter schools, guarantees Republicans the ignorant electoral base they depend on to exist, and dooms America to maintain its exceptional status as a stupid nation.
Yup. And the stats regarding the charter and "private" schools show just how dummying down these for profit processes are. They are not meant to educate; just make a profit and indoctrinate.
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Can skews explain why Christian private schools outperform secular public schools?
Louisiana Sends Kids to Private Religious Schools, Test Scores Don't Go Up | Care2 Causes

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Facts don't add up to your opinion there JB.
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Here are the facts:

The vouchers under the Louisiana Scholarship Program were given only to low income students who scored in the lowest quintile of LEAP scores from schools that were failing. The LEAP scores dropped initially under the program in the private schools because of the influx of poorly educated students. Poorly educated students are not going to turn around in a year or two.

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Louisiana must also deal with the reality that voucher students are performing worse on standardized tests than their public school counterparts. In results released also in May, 60 percent of voucher students failed to score at or above grade level in the LEAP testing given to third through eighth graders.
Your propaganda links failed to mention that the test scores have increasing as students have caught up as evidenced by your link not providing the LEAP scores of the students before the voucher program. Also, comparing students that scored in the lowest quintile in failing schools to the state as a whole is pure propaganda and dishonest manipulation of the data.

And on another note, Christian private schools that teach the Bible and pray outperform secular public schools. That is a fact you cannot overcome.
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Here are the facts:

The vouchers under the Louisiana Scholarship Program were given only to low income students who scored in the lowest quintile of LEAP scores from schools that were failing. The LEAP scores dropped initially under the program in the private schools because of the influx of poorly educated students. Poorly educated students are not going to turn around in a year or two.



Your propaganda links failed to mention that the test scores have increasing as students have caught up as evidenced by your link not providing the LEAP scores of the students before the voucher program. Also, comparing students that scored in the lowest quintile in failing schools to the state as a whole is pure propaganda and dishonest manipulation of the data.

And on another note, Christian private schools that teach the Bible and pray outperform secular public schools. That is a fact you cannot overcome.

It's the dummying down of American children and a constitutional violation to fund religious schools with tax dollars. If a parent wants their child to go to a religious school, then THEY should pay for it on their own.

You're opinion is not based on fact.


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School vouchers are taxpayer-funded scholarships for private school tuition, most of which benefit religiously segregated schools. Thirteen states, the District of Columbia, and Colorado's Douglas County School District currently fund voucher programs. These states include: Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Utah, Vermont and Wisconsin. The constitutionality of several of these programs is currently under judicial review. Still, efforts are underway to expand existing voucher programs, and many proponents of voucher funding are actively seeking to implement such funding schemes in other states.

Scholarship tax credit programs have become a model for states that wish to subsidize private and religious education, particularly in states with a constitutional ban on vouchers. As of April 2014, fourteen states have tuition tax credit programs; Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina and Virginia.

Below is a partial list of reasons why school vouchers are bad for students, bad for public schools, bad for education and bad for our nation:

1. School vouchers violate the constitutional principle of separation of state and church by providing taxpayer support for religion.

2. School voucher schemes allow religious schools to inculcate children with religion, including the instruction of creationism, using taxpayer dollars.

3. Americans do not support school voucher schemes.

4. School voucher schemes do not result in better academic performance.

5. School voucher schemes lead to unaccountable schools, fraud and abuse.

6. Voucher schemes fund discrimination.

7. School voucher programs encourage segregation.

8. School vouchers do not benefit low-income students attending failing public schools, contrary to claims.


9. Voucher schemes hurt public schools and distract from education reform.

10. "School choice" is not about choice.



1. School vouchers violate the constitutional principle of separation of state and church by providing taxpayer support for religion.

"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute . . . where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference[.]"
— John F. Kennedy's speech to Greater Houston Ministerial Association, 1960


Voucher schemes have become a means of circumventing the constitutional requirement of separation of state and church that prohibits the government from funding religious education.

The majority of private schools, including those that accept vouchers, are sectarian. According to the U.S. Department of Education, 68% of private schools are religious and account for 80.2% of private school students. [1] In many state voucher programs, the numbers are skewed even more drastically in favor of the sectarian. For example:

In Wisconsin, 90.57% of schools participating in the state's three voucher programs are religious and 89.31% of Wisconsin voucher students attend religious schools. [2]
In North Carolina, religious institutions account for 90% of the private schools that receive taxpayer-funded vouchers. [3]

Of the 13 states with voucher programs, only Maine prohibits religious schools from receiving taxpayer funds.

Most sectarian schools incorporate religion into their curriculum. Many require students to attend religious services, make religious commitments, or hire only teachers of a specific faith.

Voucher schemes are a backdoor means of funding religious schools with taxpayer money, undermining the principle of separation of state and church on which our country was founded. It is a cornerstone of our secular republic that citizens should not be taxed to support religion. Many immigrants came to this continent to avoid being coerced by their government into converting, or into paying taxes and tithes to denominations from which they dissented. Thomas Jefferson's landmark Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, passed in 1786, guaranteed that no citizen "shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever," including religious seminaries. Many state constitutions replicate this wording in their Bill of Rights.

Voucher programs not only repugnantly force citizens to fund and support religious institutions, but the actual indoctrination of students. Meanwhile, vouchers divert precious public funds from our secular public schools, which must scrupulously avoid proselytizing a captive audience. More than 65 years of Supreme Court precedent bars religious instruction, ritual or prayer in our public schools. Yet under voucher schemes, taxpayers are compelled to fund such instruction, ritual and prayer.

Voucher schemes primarily benefit Roman Catholic schools. Catholicism is the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. at about 24%, yet the majority of citizens identify as some form of Protestant. Still, the Catholic Church's vast network of established parochial schools ensures that the Catholic Church is the largest beneficiary of voucher schemes. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, objecting to Catholic children mingling with non-Catholics, has sought public funding for its religiously segregated education since the late 19th century. Although it has been unsuccessful getting the government to directly fund religious education, the Catholic hierarchy has made inroads, successfully seeking taxpayer money to be used for transportation, textbooks, and supplemental education. The advent of voucher programs has helped keep many parochial schools afloat. [4] Catholic school supporters credit school voucher programs and other "choice" schemes for increased Catholic school enrollment.

Religion should be supported by private contributions, not public coffers.
These funds are unconstitutional and racist in nature.
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It's the dummying down of American children and a constitutional violation to fund religious schools with tax dollars. If a parent wants their child to go to a religious school, then THEY should pay for it on their own.

You're opinion is not based on fact.


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These funds are unconstitutional and racist in nature.
Sure play the Race Card again, everything is about race where you're concerned. If something works it just works, but that's not good enough for you. You seem to be the cause and not a cure for racism in this country.
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Sure play the Race Card again, everything is about race where you're concerned. If something works it just works, but that's not good enough for you. You seem to be the cause and not a cure for racism in this country.
Why do you think the republicans are not funding public education? Honestly, rp, do you know ANYTHING about your party and what drives it?

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It's the dummying down of American children and a constitutional violation to fund religious schools with tax dollars. If a parent wants their child to go to a religious school, then THEY should pay for it on their own.

You're opinion is not based on fact.


https://ffrf.org/faq/state-church/item/22744-voucherfaq



These funds are unconstitutional and racist in nature.
Private schools and Christian private schools outperform secular public schools. That is the facts based on test scores including SAT and ACT scores. And there is nothing you can copy and paste from an atheist blog that can refute it.
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